http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ Canadian Rugby Forums » Forum: General Discussion - Recent Posts en Mon, 06 Sep 2010 05:59:38 +0000 http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/is-this-the-same-trafigura#post-2717 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 21:51:10 +0000 Harry Craig 2717@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>I wasn&#39;t me asking it was the other ref named Harry. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/is-this-the-same-trafigura#post-2709 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:11:44 +0000 rusty_lock 2709@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Aliens abducted it and the thread starter. You are next too Harry if you keep asking these inconvenient questions.</p> <p>:) </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/is-this-the-same-trafigura#post-2706 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:19:31 +0000 Harry Craig 2706@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>What happened to the original post in this thread, it was there eight hours ago. It&#39;s removal is even more interesting than it was on it&#39;s own. Can someone explain please? </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/is-this-the-same-trafigura#post-2680 Tue, 24 Aug 2010 02:46:19 +0000 seagull 2680@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Interesting </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/blues-vs-wolf-pack#post-2677 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:43:44 +0000 Harry Craig 2677@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>So we didn&#39;t get the Argo bounce on this one, better luck next time. Video doesn&#39;t seem to exist, or if it does why wasn&#39;t the game streamed live. I&#39;m sure the Assistant Referee (not touch judge) called what he saw. Without a TMO what else can the referee go on. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/blues-vs-wolf-pack#post-2674 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 16:18:27 +0000 shack 2674@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Was the touch judges call correct? In the last few minutes of the game on Saturday Ontario chipped it toward the corner and the ball took a strange bounce into touch. Ontario thinking it went out off a Wolf Pack player took a quick lineout which resulted in a try but the TJ called it back saying the ball went out on it&#39;s own. Did anyone get a better view of this? Was there any video? It certainly would have been the game decider. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship/page/2#post-2643 Sat, 21 Aug 2010 02:08:23 +0000 clyde 2643@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>There is a long history of Newfoundland rugby demonstrating a real dedication to the idea of representational age grade rugby. No question that Paddy Johns gave a good account on behalf of his fellow Newfoundlanders. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/so-when-is-the-office-moving-from-the-centre-of-the-universe-to-the-best-place#post-2630 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 03:05:48 +0000 irishlock 2630@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>disagree. save on whatever. pay down the debt. After further inspection it seems it did not &#39;really&#39; go down. If you look at accounts payable I believe that is up by about the same amount as the debt is down.... </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/so-when-is-the-office-moving-from-the-centre-of-the-universe-to-the-best-place#post-2629 Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:57:06 +0000 Harry Craig 2629@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Richmond Hill is not the centre of the universe. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/so-when-is-the-office-moving-from-the-centre-of-the-universe-to-the-best-place#post-2628 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:22:45 +0000 newbie 2628@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>we have many many ministrys that don&#39;t do anything so I guess one more won&#39;t hurt </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/so-when-is-the-office-moving-from-the-centre-of-the-universe-to-the-best-place#post-2627 Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:23:23 +0000 Moosehead 2627@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>On Earth? Can we afford 2 office locations for Rugby Canada? Last year funding for National teams just went up by about the rate of inflation despite revenue going up by 20%. We need more money going into the National Teams. Save on office costs and put it towards the National Teams. Most of the coaches are in BC so why not move the Ministry of Communication out to BC as well. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship/page/2#post-2423 Sun, 08 Aug 2010 21:41:41 +0000 irishlock 2423@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>This years format was basically a throwback to the RCSL which at the end also had a U20 division. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship/page/2#post-2410 Sat, 07 Aug 2010 18:08:43 +0000 newbie 2410@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Does anyone know how the U20 format came about? Why aren&#39;t they provincial teams rather that reginal. The Junior National Championship is played with provincial teams why not the U20 championship, and why is it a stand alone game and not a tourney, like the junior tourney? </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship/page/2#post-2403 Sat, 07 Aug 2010 04:31:10 +0000 irishlock 2403@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Newbie,</p> <p>You misread his post. He said the Rock represent the Maritime provinces and QC in the CRC. That is most certainly true. They could not however draw from QC or the maritimes (other than PEI) at U20 as those provinces athletes were already playing for their own teams. The 3 BC players would have been able to play for the Rock on the basis they had not already taken part in the competition for one of the 3 BC entries.</p> <p>Bisquit, the Rock U20 beat Quebec U20 who in turn had defeated NS U20 to make the final. Whatever the potential of either of those provinces the Rock U20 were better on the day as well as having been the dominant team in the region for some time both at this age group and at senior level.</p> <p>Finally : William, why would this be the last year of the U20 National Championship. No such platitudes were floated after last years final featuring BC and ON teams. One would hope to see the competition in fact grow and evolve (maybe with Toronto re-entering and PEI also taking part) and provide a platform for the national selectors to mold a successful U20 National team for 2011. I think we can all agree that the net needs to be cast wider for the selection of this team, especially given the surprisingly disappointing results from Moscow. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship/page/2#post-2402 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 22:11:32 +0000 newbie 2402@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>With the rock being able to draw from all of Atlantic Canada and Quebec as you say BS, one has to wonder why they would fly in players from the west coast? </p> <p>Perhaps money would have been better spent with picking up players from the vast area the rock represents and put the savings into a mini program and develope more great players from NFLD </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship/page/2#post-2401 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 21:51:55 +0000 bisquit 2401@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Sorry BS, &quot;backwater&quot; was more a comment on location then a banjo type scenario. I think your wrong on the Rock representing much more then St. Johns and cut offs from big populated rugby regions. Quebec and NS have more numbers playing and potentially stronger groups of young athletes then NFLD. I am appreciative of the Rock&#39;s rugby ambition but the sad fact remains it is not likely to have the populace to sustain itself.<br /> No bigotry just my reality of playing numbers. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship/page/2#post-2396 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:22:21 +0000 Frank Levick 2396@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Were the horns vuvuzelas? </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship/page/2#post-2394 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:15:44 +0000 bs_detector 2394@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Bisquit,</p> <p>The Rock program is based on great coaching, making the most of our limited resources and pride in representing your community. Any rugby community would be lucky to have that. Your &quot;backwater&quot; comment demonstrates that tired anti-Newfoundland bias that still festers in those of your ilk. It seems it really gets under people&#39;s skin when NFLD has any type of success and takes it to those who have so much more to work with. </p> <p>The Rock represents all of Atlantic Canada (plus Quebec) in the CRC. This makes sense since The Rock is the top team in the region and thus supplies the majority of players (plus others from NS, NB and Que) for a regional representative team. The top coaching and facilities are located in St. John&#39;s as well.</p> <p>It appears you&#39;re the one with a (biggoted, bitter and ill-informed) chip on your shoulder. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2391 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:58:43 +0000 bisquit 2391@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>I&#39;m going to call BS on BS.<br /> The whole Rock program is great for a backwater place in Canada and yes the country would be stronger if every little isolated community had a chip on it&#39;s shoulder and a rich Doctor willing to fly in reinforcements. They should not have a team in the CRC they do not have the player base to support it. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2388 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:02:16 +0000 bs_detector 2388@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Own up Newbie,</p> <p>Goldfinger brought up the &quot;city&quot; vs &quot;province&quot; spin and you chimed in with &quot;[i]I would have hoped the Province team would have shown better than that against the city team&quot;. As for the margin of victory, if it wasn&#39;t for the numerous (unforced) dropped balls by the Rock backs the spread would have been much greater, but that&#39;s rugby. The forwards certainly provided a great platform to attack from that the backs wasted. Perhaps it was the import #13&#39;s fault :)</p> <p>William,</p> <p>Although the try count was 2-1 for the Wave, the points I put forward were valid. The Rock had more possession and field position, the Rock forwards had the better of the Wave forwards and the Rock #8 played a blinder. If you recall, the second Wave try was a counter from inside their own 22m line. This came from an unforced spilled ball following a period of Rock pressure deep in the Wave half. Again, this was poor Rock back play but it doesn&#39;t mean the Rock didn&#39;t have more overall control in general.</p> <p>I agree that the fans on the far side of the field were extremely boisterous but I personally didn&#39;t notice anyone inside the 5m barrier. Oh yes, in addition to the air horns, don&#39;t forget the guy with the two crashing cymbals. Unlike elsewhere across the country, at least rugby fans were there in large numbers and had a bit of life to them. It was for those specific reasons Rugby Canada chose Swilers RFC as the venue for Canada&#39;s last World Cup qualifying game. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s any different than loud hockey or football crowds or basketball fans that wave things behind the backboard during a freethrow. However, I do agree that if someone was inside the barrier it should have been sorted out.</p> <p>Either way, NFLD, or should I say St. John&#39;s, puts out great crowds and great rugby players for such a small population/player pool. If the rest of the country did as much with what they have, the game of rugby would be much better in this country. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2387 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:41:37 +0000 William 2387@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>The issue, as I understand it with the 3 BC players was:<br /> 1) They are carded and as such receive funding and in kind services from BC.<br /> 2) They are on the BC Bears protected list.<br /> 3) The BCRU and Bears coaching staff had no idea these 3 had even been approached. Outed on Face Book.</p> <p>What is done is done and this is in far more capable hands and knowledgeable minds than mine. Personally, and this is just my opinion, I don&#39;t see the U20 national competition happening at all next season. At least not under the current agreement. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2382 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:02:18 +0000 Harry Craig 2382@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>As far as playing for other teams it happens all the time in age grade teams where many of the Maritime provinces have recruited kids from Ontario who don&#39;t make the cut at home to play for them. I know this has happened recently in both boys and girls teams and I remember it happening with kids from my club playing for PEI in the mid 80s. I know when I was manager of the Ontario Womens Senior team their first three years from 88to90 the eligbility was anyone who had been resident in Canada since December 1 the last year or anyone of Canadian citizenship or birth or parents or grandparents birth. For years Ottawa players played for Quebec. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2380 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:13:59 +0000 William 2380@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>As for the 3 BC players that flew out to play for the rock for the U20 Canadian championship, technically no rules were broken. I have the National Junior Championship manual which all teams signed at the start of the competition and NL obviously read the book. However this is a regional competition and the spirit of the competition was certainly not respected by this move. There are officials from RC that agree with this sentiment but chose not to act. </p> <p>One of the issues surrounding these 3 BC players was the way in which all this was handled. BC was blindsided on all this and only found out about these players flying out just before the game at a BC Bears practice. No cutesy call to anybody from anybody. An end run around BC. </p> <p>Another point which nobody brings up, is unaware of or just plain forgets to mention is this competition is funded by the players themselves. The unions in BC charge between $225-250 per player for 4 games. RC takes 5 grand per team (12 teams this year = 60k) that goes towards mostly airfare to get teams to the semis and final. </p> <p>Two of the three players did indeed have an impact in the final game and a strong argument could be made that the Rock would not have prevailed without them. However I&#39;m calling bs_detector on his summation of the game. It was 2 tries to one for the Wave and it was the kicking that made the difference. Yes, I was there.</p> <p>The &quot;distractions&quot; were real, classless, and in violation of the responsibilities of the home union and referee as clearly spelled out in the National Junior handbook. When was the last time anybody witnessed spectators, during a premiership or championship game, inside the 5 meter barrier zone blowing an air horn directly into the ear of the visiting player during each and every line-out? Running down the touch line shadowing the winger, pretending to trip him up? Referee and touch judge allowing it to continue? </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2379 Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:01:52 +0000 newbie 2379@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>BS read Gold Fingers post, that is where the city vs. province was brought up.</p> <p>With the domination you describe I am surpised that the rock only scored one try. </p> <p>Once again my point is that in my humble opinion flying in age grade players for one game and that game being a national championship is wrong. I don&#39;t know if there are rules or guidelines for or against this but perhaps if there aren&#39;t it is time there were. Maybe next year the middle of the country teams will import players from the rock and vancouver to help their causes. Who knows, but now that it is out there I guess it is fair for all to do.</p> <p>On a plus side it is nice to see people reading and posting on this site again! </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2374 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:55:48 +0000 winger14 2374@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>The only change that I&#39;d like to see is the full roster declared prior to the competition as they do for the ARC. That would include alternates.</p> <p>Winger14 </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2370 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 22:26:32 +0000 Frank Levick 2370@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>If those players were previously Nfld based, or Newfies of Origin, or heading to Nfld for school - most would be in agreement with you. That is after all the reason that a 2 or 3 player mobility rule is included in most of our national competitions. If however, those players were flown in a day or two before the final and left after their shower then the rules really need to be looked at, do they not? </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2364 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 20:30:45 +0000 winger14 2364@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Sooo....</p> <p>Let&#39;s say for arguements sake that a young University age player was lured to UVic as a means to further his rugby goals. Assume that playing at home in Atlantic Canada wasn&#39;t what he wanted as he felt it would be more of the same.</p> <p>Let&#39;s then say that the player decided to stay on the Island for the summer. Hang out with friends, maybe has a girlfriend, likes Victoria. It happens.</p> <p>The player could have played for the Tide but didn&#39;t. Could be for any reason, wanted down time, didn&#39;t like the coaoches or the style of play, didn&#39;t feel at home in the environment...whatever.</p> <p>Why not fly the player home to play in the final?</p> <p>Don&#39;t know if that&#39;s what happened, but I don&#39;t see anything wrong with it. It&#39;s a coaching and management issue fro the team in question.</p> <p>Maybe the Wave didn&#39;t have as hard a time getting to the final as the Rock did. Good on the East and the Rock. Hopefully the West will be stronger next year.</p> <p>Winger14 </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2362 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 19:14:46 +0000 bs_detector 2362@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Newbie,</p> <p>Descriptions are accurate.</p> <p>When one team has the ball and is in the other team&#39;s half for the greater percentage of the game they have dominated.</p> <p>When a forward pack is pushed around, wheeled and their international front row regularly lifted and twisted they have been destroyed.</p> <p>When a #8 regularly makes 15-20 m, scores a try and is man of the match he has &quot;run wild&quot;. </p> <p>Three point games that come down to the wire are very exciting.</p> <p>You haven&#39;t addressed the facts refuting your weak and inaccurate position/excuse that the Vancouver team were at a disadvantage because they were playing a &quot;provincial&quot; side.</p> <p>It&#39;s not for me to decide on rules regarding where players play. There&#39;s a long history of player movement and there are administrative bodies that make the rules. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2361 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 18:44:05 +0000 newbie 2361@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>BS you should write for the Telegram, your description of the game is far more interesting than the article. I love how you use all those great phrases like &quot;dominated and destroyed and #8 running wild&quot; It makes even a three point win seem exciting.</p> <p>So BS, do you think it is alright for provinces to import age grade players for a national championship game? </p> <p>And please don&#39;t assume I am from Vancouver because I am not. </p> http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/topic/u20-canadian-championship#post-2359 Thu, 05 Aug 2010 15:25:59 +0000 bs_detector 2359@http://canadianrugby.ca/forums/ <p>Goldfinger and Newbie,</p> <p>Your &quot;poor little city&quot; vs &quot;big bad province&quot; spin is laughable and typical but not unexpected. Here are a few facts to put things in perspective.</p> <p>Metro Vancouver population is 2.2 million<br /> Newfoundland and Labrador population is approx 525,000. Rugby is only played in the metro St. John&#39;s area -population approx 175,000.</p> <p>Vancouver Rugby Union is comprised of 20 clubs (according to Wikipedia)<br /> Newfoundland Rugby Union is comprised of four clubs- Swilers, Dogs, Vandals and Baymen.</p> <p>Vancouver Wave team consisted of many Canada U20 players and was primarily a U20 group.</p> <p>Rock U20s were primarily a U19 group since there are only approx 30-40 (tops) 18-20 year olds who play rugby here.</p> <p>Considering these facts which team would you expect to &quot;show better&quot;? Who should be more proud of their performance?</p> <p>The Rock dominated in both possession and field position and it took Vancouver 20 minutes into the second half to even enter the Rock&#39;s half of the field. The Rock pack destroyed the Wave pack including their two Canada U20 props. Have a look at the small picture in the newspaper article attached here to see what the day was like for the Wave pack - Wave front row destroyed and Rock #8 running wild. </p> <p><a href="http://www.thetelegram.com/Sports/Outdoor-activities/2010-08-02/article-1642799/McNicholass-toe-points-Rock-in-the-right-direction/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetelegram.com/Sports/Outdoor-activities/2010-08-02/article-1642799/McNicholass-toe-points-Rock-in-the-right-direction/1</a> </p> <p>Now that we&#39;ve put your city vs province spin to rest,focus on the &quot;oooooh they picked up a couple of players angle&quot;.</p> <p>Either way NFLD makes more with the limited players/resources they have then the mighty VRU with their choice of hundreds of players and national team players to boot. </p>