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2011 Churchill Cup Squad

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  2. WeAreBrave
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    Forwards

    Hookers
    Pat Riordan (British Columbia/White Rock, BC)
    Ryan Hamilton (British Columbia/Vancouver, BC)

    Props
    Scott Franklin (Prairie Wolf Pack/Regina, SK)
    Hubert Buydens (Prairie Wolf Pack/Regina, SK)
    Andrew Tiedemann (Prairie Wolf Pack/St. Albert, AB)
    Jason Marshall (British Columbia/Vancouver, BC)
    Tom Dolezel (Prairie Wolf Pack/London, ON)

    Second Row
    Tyler Hotson (Plymouth Albion/Vancouver, BC)
    Brian Erichsen (British Columbia/Vancouver, BC)
    Jamie Cudmore (Clermont Ferrand/Squamish, BC)

    Back Row
    Sean-Michael Stephen (Plymouth Albion/Oakville, ON)
    Jebb Sinclair (The Rock/Fredericton, NB)
    Nanyak Dala (Prairie Wolf Pack/Saskatoon, SK)
    Chauncey O'Toole (The Rock/Belle Isle, NB)
    Aaron Carpenter (Plymouth Albion/Brantford, ON)

    Backs

    Scrum-halves
    Sean White (British Columbia/Victoria, BC)
    Ed Fairhurst (British Columbia/Victoria, BC)

    Fly-halves
    Nathan Hirayama (British Columbia/Richmond, BC)
    Ander Monro (Ontario Blues/Victoria, BC)

    Centres
    Ryan Smith (Prairie Wolf Pack/Calgary, AB)
    Conor Trainor (British Columbia/Victoria, BC)
    Phil Mackenzie (Esher RFC/Oakville, ON)

    Wings
    Justin Mensah-Coker (British Columbia/Vancouver, BC)
    Ciaran Hearn (The Rock/Conception Bay, NFLD)

    Fullbacks
    James Pritchard (Bedford RFC/Parkes, AUS)
    Matt Evans (Newport-Gwent Dragons/Duncan, BC)

    Injured/Unavailable

    Adam Kleeberger (Inj) - flanker
    Stan McKeen (Exams) - flanker
    DTH van der Merwe (Inj) - wing/centre
    Taylor Paris (Inj) - wing

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  4. PALADIN
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    Count the players who did not play in the BC Premier
    League. I count ONE! James, I am an Aussie, Pritchard.
    He never played for any club team in any provincial league.
    That includes the Injured/Unavailable.
    Does that make it 100% played in the BC Premier League?

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  6. Harry Craig
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    No it doesn't. Not sure of your math but I'm pretty sure that will 29 of thirty is a high percentage I'm preety sure it is not 100%. I also see that 17 out of the thirty mentioned are not originally from BC.

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  8. Smallprint
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    Pritchard did play for the Prairie Fire in the RCSL prior to his first World Cup with Canada.

    I see a whole lot of guys who played in many leagues, and one of them happened to be BC which makes sense since RC has centered its program in Victoria. Why duplicate organizational structures to look at 35 or 40 guys, when it is cheaper to centralize. It's simple math.

    Otherwise, Paladin I do not follow your point.

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  10. rusty_lock
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    Great to see Jamie Cudmore. It's been a while since we have seen him in the red jerry. Perhaps he could be a steadying influence in that scrum ... assuming he's not in the bin ;)

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  12. rusty_lock
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    Great to see Jamie Cudmore. It's been a while since we have seen him in the red jerry. Perhaps he could be a steadying influence in that scrum ... assuming he's not in the bin ;)

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  14. knower
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    Lock You should know that you can't fix a scrum by
    adding a quality lock. 90% is up front!
    The last time Jamie played for CANADA was at
    our 0-4 2007 World Cup.
    He proves there is an "I" in TEAM.

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  16. rusty_lock
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    knower said:
    Lock You should know that you can't fix a scrum by
    adding a quality lock. 90% is up front!
    The last time Jamie played for CANADA was at
    our 0-4 2007 World Cup.
    He proves there is an "I" in TEAM.

    I agree a big part of it is front row but there is a reason they call the second row the engine room.

    Also I'm not sure that Jamie played in 07. If memory serves correctly he had some injury problems. Not positive about that but I will see if I can find info.

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  18. treetop
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    he played in the 07 WC

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  20. Harry Craig
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    knower said:

    The last time Jamie played for CANADA was at
    our 0-4 2007 World Cup.

    Canada was 0-3-1 last World Cup not 0-4. Not a great record but let's get fact's right.

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  21. rusty_lock
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    Harry Craig said:
    Canada was 0-3-1 last World Cup not 0-4. Not a great record but let's get fact's right.

    Thanks for the correction on that one Harry. They weren't 0-4 it just felt like it.

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  22. knower
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    Harry Craig said:
    Canada was 0-3-1 last World Cup not 0-4. Not a great record but let's get fact's right.

    Canada finished 4th in a pool of 4.
    Japan finished ahead of us. I KNEW we tied Japan.
    How about in 2011? A TIE with Japan would cause us to
    Pop the Bubbly!

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  23. Smallprint
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    Knower, have you ever played in the front row? Quality locks will make crappy props look good, and crappy locks will make outstanding props look bad. It is largely a question of physics.

    For several years now, the NSMT has had undersized players at 4 and 5, and our scrum has paid for it. I, for one, applaud, the NSM program for looking at a proven professional. I know he comes with some baggage, but here's hoping he can lead with the front foot for the next 9 games, instead of with the argy bargy crap.

    As for another 0-for campaign, if we repeat the results of '07 we risk not being around in future, particularly if the IRB decide to reduce the number of teams in it. An 0-for result is unacceptable, and heads better roll, starting at the top.

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  24. knower
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    SP I KNOW Tons about front row play! I am a Jamie
    Cudmore fan, almost as much as he is.
    CANADA will be destroyed at scrum time in NZ!
    That will be the worse feature of our play.
    Jamie can do little to fix that from LOCK.
    I have seen good teams beaten at scrum time by weaker
    teams with proven front row players backed by a couple
    of 190 pound locks with kids in the back row. All eight
    were totally committed at the scrum and had a good
    coach.

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  25. Popo
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    Knower and small print you both bring up valid points about front row play and scrummaging. Based on my own experience, generally the higher the level you play, good scrummaging increasingly is a result of an 8 man effort.

    In 2nd or 3rd division a good prop or two can dominate a scrum on their own as you move up that becomes less likely. Even in the BC Premiere a couple of good props can overpower a weaker pack not working in unison, but when you get elite teams with good scrums you are looking at an 8 man effort to get advantage. At the international level you need all 8 working together to have a stable set piece.

    With all that said if your props are not good at what they do there is no saving your scrum as they set the table for dinner.

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  26. Harry Craig
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    Knower, I was there watching and you are right it felt like a loss. It was devastating to watch. Sorry if I'm a stickler for detail but I do like accuracy.

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  27. trueviking
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    where's tkatchuk?

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  28. lion
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    This team is a joke!!!! Smith is horrible, just watch his play versus the Rock, he was pathetic!!! he is afraid to tackle, is slow, and weak as a girl. Monroe has barely played this year, how is his selection justified?? Dala hasn't played since last September!! guess BJ picked him, oakbay and all!! JMC, all he does is party and collect carding cheques, i very much doubt he trains regularly!! The same can be said for fairhurst, a full time job limits ur training, and fairhurst isn't the most otivated individual!!
    No Duke??? probably one of the fastest backs in the league, a game breaker, KC would know that if he actually came and watched any games. How about wish in the centers??? he's definately better than RS
    Horrible selection, and really doesn't seem to be a clear pathway!!! cause no matter how well you play, KC will pick those who support him and write letters in favour of the administration!!!!!

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  29. rusty_lock
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    trueviking said:
    where's tkatchuk?

    He has announced his retirement at Glasgow. I thought he might hang around long enough for one more WC but maybe he is just done.

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  30. rucknmaul
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    Lion's quote: "The same can be said for fairhurst, a full time job limits ur training, and fairhurst isn't the most otivated individual!!"

    Lion, I have to ask how well you know Ed Fairhurst and secondly how much time you spend with him to be able to intelligently (and the operative word is intelligently) comment on how motivated Ed is and how much he trains.

    I can tell you that I know Ed and I consider him a friend. And I can tell you that I do business with him, and he is good at his job and committed to his career, and he's made me nothing but $$$ and given me sound financial advice.

    But in respect of his commitment to rugby and training, I can tell you that he has been nothing but committed to the Ravens Rugby Club. He has helped turn that team around completely from winless two seasons ago to champions two years in a row in the fall league and one win away from the Rounsfell final this year. Lion, unlike yourself, he can excel in a career and still train full time at practice and training on his own.

    So, again please advise about how much time you've spent with him over the past couple of years. (cue the "well I've heard from so and so B.S.)

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  31. Smallprint
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    Lion ease up, as your lack of knowledge torpedoes your credibility, Dala played in the Selects game after not playing since he tore up his knee in the Commonwealth Games playing Sevens. He had major knee reconstruction surgery in December. He is back playing earlier than expected because he wants to push for a World Cup spot.

    Not speaking for the coaching staff, as I don't know their plans, but it would seem logical to me, that Dala would be given a chance to prove his fitness. Otherwise Dala is a bit of a physical speciman who spends a considerable amount of time training.

    I don't know Ed Fairhurst well having only met him once or twice, but I know Dala well and you have no clue what you are talking about. Why attack the players that are pulling on our country's shirt? The players only put their hands up for selection, the selectors may the call on who goes and who doesn't which brings me around to another point, how the hell would you know who turned down the invite, and who didn't? How do you know that this KC's ideal unit? You don't know...so I say leave the players alone. It's tough enough dealing with the rest of the baggage playing for Canada brings, they don't need to read crap from the likes of pinheads hiding behind a keyboard.

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  32. rusty_lock
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    rucknmaul said:
    Lion's quote: "The same can be said for fairhurst, a full time job limits ur training, and fairhurst isn't the most otivated individual!!"

    Lion, I have to ask how well you know Ed Fairhurst and secondly how much time you spend with him to be able to intelligently (and the operative word is intelligently) comment on how motivated Ed is and how much he trains.

    I can tell you that I know Ed and I consider him a friend. And I can tell you that I do business with him, and he is good at his job and committed to his career, and he's made me nothing but $$$ and given me sound financial advice.

    But in respect of his commitment to rugby and training, I can tell you that he has been nothing but committed to the Ravens Rugby Club. He has helped turn that team around completely from winless two seasons ago to champions two years in a row in the fall league and one win away from the Rounsfell final this year. Lion, unlike yourself, he can excel in a career and still train full time at practice and training on his own.

    So, again please advise about how much time you've spent with him over the past couple of years. (cue the "well I've heard from so and so B.S.)

    I don't know Ed but I watched him put on an absolute clinic against ABby

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  33. knower
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    I too KNOW Ed Fairhurst well and he should be an automatic
    selection for the World Cup. His WC experience will be needed in the group of 30!
    There are other selections for the Churchill Cup that I
    disagree with but I am not the head coach. That's where
    the buck stops! Judge the Kiwi by his results. He has had
    enough time to call CANADA his team. No Excuses!

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  34. lion
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    So Dala playing 40 mins deserves a spot on the national team over others who having been playing all year??? Think not!! I didn't comment on fairhurst job!!! I commented on his commitment to training on his own!!! And I don't think training two times per week will give us wins in NZ. Ravens rugby hardly could compare to the WC. If you don't like my comments then don't read them, simple

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  35. rucknmaul
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    Lion, I ask, do you see Ed training only twice a week? I know for a fact that he runs and lifts weights regularly on his own.

    Besides, keeping his end of the bargain being in shape, he is a natural. He is intelligent on the field, has an instinct for the game, competes extremely hard, and is one of the best tacklers I have ever seen.

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  36. Titan
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    Lion - simply put you're a moron. Fairhurst is far and away the best scrum-half in Canada...skills aside the experience and leadership he brings to the team are invaluable. What do you know about his training? He's as fit and strong as any of the other selections. Who are you even comparing him to? All those other professional #9's we have overseas?!

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  37. lion
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    your entitled to your opinion as am I!!! If we win our pool in the WC i'll eat my hat!! we'll be lucky to win a game with this group!!! White is the better scrumhalf, if fairhurst was then he'd have started all the other game previous!!!

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  38. knower
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    Lion No one in their Right Mind thinks we will win our
    pool. The Best we can hope for is 2 wins 2 losses and then
    head home. Both Sean and Ed should be in the thirty.
    If White becomes number one then Ed would be the first
    player to congratulate Sean and offer some helpful advise.
    That's the type of man he is.

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  39. lion
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    knower, i've not said anything about fairhust's integrety, he's a good guy yes, but he has moved on, and rugby isn't his first priority anymore, that's what i'm getting at

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  40. knower
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    agree But the Kiwi and I agree that Fast Eddy is #1 or #2
    for the CANADA #9 jersey. Let Sean White beat
    EF out for the start vs Tonga.
    Hey Where is Phil Mack is all this? The Kiwi
    is crazy if he doesn't include the 7's capt.

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