Brent Johnston using his position as NSMT to lure players to OakBay???

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Brent Johnston using his position as NSMT to lure players to OakBay???

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Posted 1 year ago
rucknmaul
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Harry I don't know you'd have to ask them yourself, but these players who play for Canada in xv's and 7's make huge commitments to that and sacrifice much with respect to work and school. In addition, they also commit to their club sides. When CRC rolls around they simply need time for work and or family. I don't think their commitment to the game of rugby can be questioned because they won't commit to the CRC.

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Posted 1 year ago
Harry Craig
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I'm not critisizing any individual players or questioning their committment. I'm just saying your full line up is the one you select and put on the field. No excuses, please.

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Posted 1 year ago
Popo
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Ruckandmaul as the CRC is intended to be the higher level of play intended for the serious rugby players shouldn't these guys be taking time off from playing club rugby rather than skipping the CRC?

IMO the CRC and Canadian rugby would be better served if the CRC was a full slate of games, 12-16 run at the same time as the club leagues. Players would not be able to play for their home club. Once committed or signed to a CRC team there is no going back as that would be their club for all intents and purposes.

Seems that players from the other provinces who play in BC are able to compete and play just fine in the CRC for their home province, yet we hear that the poor BC born players can't do it.

The other issue is that the BC season is possibly too long and precludes many BC players from playing at a higher level cause they are worn out or so goes the excuse. Maybe the club season in BC should be aligned with the rest of Canada or shortened or at least condensed.

Seems to me that the problem lies squarely with a small group of vested interests of players and clubs from BC that prevent any kind of workable level of national play above club level.

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Posted 1 year ago
AussieBack
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Popo said:

Maybe the club season in BC should be aligned with the rest of Canada or shortened or at least condensed.

Seems to me that the problem lies squarely with a small group of vested interests of players and clubs from BC that prevent any kind of workable level of national play above club level.

This is the best and most insightful comment I've read since joining and wading through most of the junk that is posted on this forum. Well done, Popo!

BC-defenders will be up in arms though and the Popo's of this world will be threatened with 50 lashes for heresy, but at the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding.

Name me one successful rugby playing nation that has half of its playing population competing during opposing times of the year? Nope, nothing? That's because they don't exist. The blame for poor performance is easily deflected by the BC loyalists onto immigrant coaches, managers, the players, the IRB blahblahblahblah but it is the internal structure of how rugby is played in this country that is the root cause for it's mediocrity on the international stage. Until that's fixed, keep enjoying the pool rounds of the world cup.

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Posted 1 year ago
treetop
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We in BC like to play rugby, it's obvious that all those that come out west like to play rugby as well, why should we only play 4 months of the year, we want to get better and have fun, and we do this by playing Sept to May. Sorry but some guys like to have the summer off, so those who don't want to play in the summer can actually have fun, go to the cottage,travel etc... Don't see nothing too wrong with that

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Posted 1 year ago
AussieBack
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Go to the cottage? Really, that's the backbone of your argument???

Predictably, you didn't answer my question "Name me one successful rugby playing nation that has half of its playing population competing during opposing times of the year?"

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Posted 1 year ago
treetop
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Who cares about other countries, we are a unique country due to the size and climate. The countries you are referring to are also PROFESSIONAL!!! That's the key word here. BC has the best and most competitive league, so either get onboard or beat it. Who really cares about the CRC, it's sub par to the BC league anyways, and the RC coach's don't even attend the games.

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Posted 1 year ago
AussieBack
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Excuses and blame game is all we hear from the out-of-touch protectionists in BC, and this directly affects Canadian rugby as a whole.

Keep enjoying the RWC pool games...

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Posted 1 year ago
treetop
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we will, thanks

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Posted 1 year ago
rugbyfan07
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Popo said:

IMO the CRC and Canadian rugby would be better served if the CRC was a full slate of games, 12-16 run at the same time as the club leagues. Players would not be able to play for their home club. Once committed or signed to a CRC team there is no going back as that would be their club for all intents and purposes.

Exactly, run it from February to June and then the Churchill cup following.

Posted 1 year ago #
Smallprint
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RF07,

Solid idea, let's see you put on some kit, and hit the fields on the prairies in February, or Ontario, or Newfoundland or any of the provinces east of BC.

A uniform national season is a must if we are ever going to punch above our weight internationally again. Perhaps some analysis into international programs like Japan; Italy and Argentina would be helpful to RC.

Posted 1 year ago #
PALADIN
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Agree with TreeTop. I AM FROM BC! We don't have to copy
other countries to be successful. Do things in a Canadian
way! KC and GJ trying to copy what happens in their country has failed. Think Canadian! Oh wait,they can't.
Check out the selections on the HK 7s team.
Check out the selections on the 2010 Nov Tour.
Check out the selections for the World Cup.
Who stays and plays east of the Rockies and gets selected?
If Morgan Williams stayed and played in NS do you think he
would ever have played for Canada?

Posted 1 year ago #
Smallprint
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Paladin,

Weak logic, the status quo is not working, and blaming the current coaches selections will not correct the problem.
Who should be playing that's not? And can you tell us why they are not playing? Perhaps they have been selected and said no. Perhaps we are not always fielding our strongest side, because our best cannot answer the call for their own reasons.

As a nation we are not developing enough international caliber rugby players fast enough. Senior coaches are not to blame for that scenario.

Posted 1 year ago #
PALADIN
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SPrint That's where we differ.
IT'S ALL ABOUT LEADERSHIP!!
That starts and ends with the Head Coach.

Posted 1 year ago #
Frank
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KC and GJ are directly responsible for the development of the top 45 players in Canada. It is their responsibility to develop the player pathway. They believe the CRC is the pathway but do not know what part of the season to hold the competition. The national team coaches do not attend the training sessions and this is evident in their most recent results.

They have already resigned KC and GJ so the results at the 2011 do not matter to RC. The coaches can hide up at Shawnigan with DR and the rest of the crew.

Big fish in a little pond - you are polluting the fresh water in BC.

Posted 1 year ago #
Popo
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PALADIN said:
Agree with TreeTop. I AM FROM BC! We don't have to copy
other countries to be successful. Do things in a Canadian
way! KC and GJ trying to copy what happens in their country has failed. Think Canadian! Oh wait,they can't.
Check out the selections on the HK 7s team.
Check out the selections on the 2010 Nov Tour.
Check out the selections for the World Cup.
Who stays and plays east of the Rockies and gets selected?
If Morgan Williams stayed and played in NS do you think he
would ever have played for Canada?

Thank for helping show that the current way things are done in Canada does not work. The proof is in the results yet as a BC Player you clamour for the status quo.

I too am from BC and played all my rugby here yet I can see the system is broke and needs to be fixed. In my opinion a large part of the problem lies with BC interests positioning itself at all times to be the center of the rugby playing universe in Canada.

The biggest reason BC clubs do not want the seasons aligned or an effective higher competition is because they would lose half their player base at the premiere level and it would be detrimental to their precious premiere league which in the 10 or 11 years it has been in existence has directly corresponded with a decline in rugby talent produced out of BC and a decline in the numbers of people from BC playing the game.

It is a flaw in the system if a player needs to come to BC in order to be recognized for his/her ability.

Posted 1 year ago #
Frank
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BCRU, it ain't broke and you don't need to fix it. BC rugby is the place to play, pack your bags and head to CW or JBAA or Velox. KC and GJ are there watching all the best players in Canada.

Posted 1 year ago #
Harry Craig
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Guess it worked out all right for CW.

Posted 1 year ago #
Smallprint
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I like a good conspiracy as much as the next nutcase, but this is really a no brainer. The CDI changes formats so that several island teams do not make the cut for the elite competition. UVIC requires attendance at the University in order to be eligible. JBAA is a tough club to crack which leaves CW as the only island club for guys wanting to throw their hats into the ring for WC selection.

And some of you would accuse Brent Johnston of wrongdoing? Smarten up!!! All this railing about what's wrong with RC et al has rotted your brains.

Let's see if there is a similar number of players wanting to play in BC next year, when the next world cup is a bit farther down the road, and a lot less certain for nations like Canada?

Posted 1 year ago #