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Posted 1 year ago
Frank
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Head coach KC, brings in two scrum coaches, Cron and Barnes to help prepare for the WC. Now all KC has to do is turn on his GPS to find his way to PISE.

The real questions?

Why two scrum coaches? Isn't this overkill

Who are these two scrum coaches coaching? Isn't everyone in Wales

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Posted 1 year ago
Harry Craig
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Frank said:
Head coach KC, brings in two scrum coaches, Cron and Barnes to help prepare for the WC. Now all KC has to do is turn on his GPS to find his way to PISE.

The real questions?

Why two scrum coaches? Isn't this overkill

Who are these two scrum coaches coaching? Isn't everyone in Wales

No matter what he does you are going to say it is the wrong thing. I think it is great that the guys in BC get to get some great coaching help and the more the better.

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Posted 1 year ago
Frank
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Harry two scrum specialist coaches is SPECIAL. Why not bring in a backs coach? That would only make sense. See,

KC shows up at the PISE stands on the sideline and spins the ball in his hand. It is no wonder he had MW fired. MW work ethic was putting him to shame. Face the fact, KC does not coach and I don't see Cron signing on as the next All Blacks backs coach. Know what I mean?

When they do something correct i will applaud them.

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Posted 1 year ago
irishlock
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You're right. Bringing in a widely acclaimed scrum guru to work with players and the person that appears to be the forwards / scrum coach for the NSMT (Barnes) is a terrible idea.

Instead what we need to do is keep the status quo and not be strong in the scrum.

I think this is a very positive step and can only be good for the players and coaches that get to work with Mike Cron.

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Posted 1 year ago
treetop
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Who does Barnes coach? or is he just KC's best friend? I know he was fired from his post 2 yrs ago, and has been farming ever since full time, how does this help. I like that they are bringing in scrum help, but I don't see it as WC prep cause as Franks points out, our forwards are either out of province or out of the country. A backs specialist would be good, they could actually help RS play instead of trying to posing in calanders and trying to lobby to get on the board!!!

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Posted 1 year ago
bisquit
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Apparently they flew the Welsh contingent in for the camp at Shawnigan. I think it is a good idea but too little too late really. RC should stop throwing good money after bad and direct it's dime on the U17s and U20's who have a shot of getting back into the Cup and are going to be the players that qualify Canada for the next World Cup. This WC is looking at best like a 1-3 finish, with a possible win over Tonga. Who btw are playing 'A' games against Samoa, Fiji, Japan.. right now. Compare that to our top players playing all over the map at sub par levels, English Championship, Welsh div 2, BC premiers will get you wins over Spain and Belgium, close over Portugal and losses to Georgia.

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Posted 1 year ago
Frank
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A better idea would be to have Cron coach the coaches. The coach development model at present in RC is garbage and non existent. DH has done nothing since he left Alberta. Another waste of $ resources.

RC should have invited all the CRC scrum coaches into camp for a week. Better coaches = better players.

RC should have invited all the national age grade coaches into camp for a week. Again better coaches = better players.

RC should have invited a backs coach in and left KC friend at home farming. Once again, better coaches = better players.

RC should have the 12 players that are playing in Wales back playing in BC. Bring CG with them. See the pattern, better coaching of the coaches = a broader base of better players.

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Posted 1 year ago
Harry Craig
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Frank who are the 12 players in Wales you refer to, I think the number is 9.

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Posted 1 year ago
Frank
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Prove that there are not 12 players there. Two can play that game.

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Posted 1 year ago
rugbysucks
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FYI,
There were 9 players in Wales, Hubert Buydens, Jason Marshall,Jon Phelan, Jebb Sinclair, Jeremy Kyne, Sean White, Connor Braid, Luke Cudmore and Nick Blevins, but as of last week down to eight as Connor Braid returned back to Victoria.

Posted 1 year ago #
AussieBack
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The fact that people on this forum are complaining about the best scrum coach in the world coming to instruct national players, coaches and shadow coaches sums up the bulk of opinions by these individuals. In one post they will crap on wax lyrical about the dreadful state of Canada's scrum vs. Georgia et al and then have the audacity to turn around 2 months later and bitch about RC being proactive.

What do you guys actually stand for??? You remind me of the link below...

http://www.thebaumgartners.com/blog/media/old.jpg

To the players who read this forum, don't listen to these clowns as they are simply a loud minority using a medium that makes them feel important. The bulk of the rugby community in Canada respect your sacrifices, hard work and fully support all that you are doing for the game! Keep it up and ignore the anonymous white noise.

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AussieBack
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Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyfan07
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The problem isn't that cron was brought in. The problem is that kc is paid 100,000 to coach and he isn't. Half the team is overseas play 3rd div pro and the other half are in wales playing what level were all unsure. If Cron was brought in on KC dollar that would be different.

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Harry Craig
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Fan07 even if that is a problem how is it bad to bring in Cron. Our scrum definitely needs help.

Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyfan07
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I don't think it is. We need all the help we can get. But what we paying KC for? What has he done to deserve a 6 figure salary?

Posted 1 year ago #
treetop
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I think bringing in Cron is good, but my question is the timing? who's he going to coach? Why now? I just don't see KC having any new ideas and is really struggling to bring anything worthwhile to the table in terms of coaching.

Posted 1 year ago #
2rdubyaz
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There are numerous coaches of all levels at this camp. All the potential WC front rows are attending.

Some of you guys should go start a blog about KC since you have so much to say. I'm sure nobody will read it.

Haters gonna hate.

Posted 1 year ago #
abbyhalfback
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2rdubyaz said:
There are numerous coaches of all levels at this camp. All the potential WC front rows are attending.

Some of you guys should go start a blog about KC since you have so much to say. I'm sure nobody will read it.

Haters gonna hate.

It's far easier to sit on the sidelines bitching & moaning about everything than it is to offer some valued constructive criticism and/or alternative ideas.

Reminds me of those old f**ks that sit on the sideline constantly yelling at the referees regardless of whether he/she is doing a good or bad job.

Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyfan07
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But to sit back and follow blindly reminds me of A bunch of little ole ladies at a Sunday morning church service.

Posted 1 year ago #
treetop
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my question is what is KC's specialty? If we need all these other coach's to come in and coach, then why do we pay a full time coach?

Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyfan07
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2rdubyaz said:
All the potential WC front rows are attending.

Are they flying in Brydens and Marshall from wales they both could use the extra coaching?

Posted 1 year ago #
redneckric
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Where does the scrum fit into KC's gameplan? Attack from it? Engage and hold on for dear life? What is Cron going to teach them? Will the players listen if it has nothing to do with the gameplan? Is the upcoming WC a business trip or a holiday for the players selected? Who knows? It all starts at the top. Problem is you don't hear from the top or see it. It is a mystery and we just keep throwing money at it.

Posted 1 year ago #
Smallprint
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Buydens and Marshall were flown in to attend the camp. The Camp has included some much needed fitness testing as well.

Several of you need to stop bitchin' just to hear yourselves bitch...Nothing like desensitizing the masses to your message. If you have a problem with the way its run, step up, become a Board member, a coach, whatever. Otherwise, until you have actually tried to implement a change, just shut up.

Posted 1 year ago #
redneckric
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SP you’re not the boss. This is a open forum questions are allowed. I pay my dues, donate to programs, coach, and sit on boards. I have a right to ask what direction RC is planning to go. If you know can you please enlighten me? Or is some much-needed fitness testing the answer. Oh and we flew in Mike Cron to do the testing because he is the only one in the world that can do it. Is the video of Mike’s training session going to be available for provincial unions to past down to clubs etc? Have all our HP coaches in the RC pathway been given the information Mike passed on to the players?

Posted 1 year ago #
Frank
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Smallprint, they brought in two scrum coaches. Why didn't they bring in another skills coach? Is Cron there to teach Barnes the techniques of the scrummage? They could have done that back in NZ. Didn't RS use Cron before the last WC? It's all been done before.

2rdubyaz - you are reading it. Where is the wide expansive game we were all promised? I guess KC finally figured it out - it starts with the scrum

Abby - solution - bring in a ref to teach our ref's - can't do that with two scrum coaches.

Abby - solution - bring in a backs coach - they are different then two scrum coaches

Abby - solution - bring in a kicking coach - again that is different then two scrum coaches.

Abby - soultions - they are a dime a dozen - I work at a bank and believe me when I tell you it all adds up. Now if these two scrum coaches can teach kicking, reffing, handling then of course I am wrong and I should be tarred.

RC is now putting out their intentions with the two scrum coaches. RC never had a plan or we would have read about 6 months ago. This is all reactionary. RC is now posting on their web because us sideline critics are asking questions.

No excuses.

Posted 1 year ago #
Shameless Homer
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Here's an opportunity for the legions of the disgruntled that seems to good to pass up.

http://www.bcrugby.com/index.php?src=news&srctype=detail&category=Main&refno=646

Back them into the corner and ask some of these questions in person. Get it off your chest! Demand answers! Why are we not being consulted?

Posted 1 year ago #
Frank
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Again it falls into the one week planning schedule. Why wasn't this put out 6 months ago? let's give RC a break, why wasn't it announced 1 month ago.

There is no plan.

Why would I pay $125.00 to ask Larry, Curly and Moe questions about BC rugby? Cudmore could walk into the room and those three would not know if it was Luke or Jamie.

sh!ts and giggles

Posted 1 year ago #
Shameless Homer
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How about putting your money where your considerable mouth is?

I have nothing to do with Rugby Canada and I knew Cron was coming back in January.

They MAY not know which Cudmore it is but I bet they'd have NO idea who you are.

Posted 1 year ago #
Frank
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Shameless, how did you know? Was there a press release announcing this great coaching opportunity? Was there a internal E-blast that went out to all the rugby gurus? You are correct, I am not in the inner circle of "we know but we are not going to tell you" from RC.

Let's throw Dan into the mix and really confuse them. Just looking at the species, they would prefer him to the other two.

There you go and that didn't cost you a $125.00 to send some kid to the championships.

Posted 1 year ago #
Harry Craig
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A lot of people won't go to the meet and greet or if they do they won't ask the hard questions because they can't hide behind an alias. The internet is great for cowards. There are many problems with rugby in Canada right now but bringing in Mike Cron for a scrum clinic is a great idea at any time. Yes there are many other needs to be addressed but this is not bad, no matter how you spin it.

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