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Death of rugby

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  1. Ad Bot

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  2. rugbyfan07
    Member

    I see that the end is near for high school rugby in Victoria. I was reading a article in bcrugbynews or a local paper can't remember which one. But the point is that there are only 4 high schools running junior rugby teams this season. Which i believe is a result of changing the junior season to be run at the same time as the senior one. So schools have to decided which to focus on.

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  4. OHBOY
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    That is just the tip of the iceberg 'Fan' there are so many things working agaisnt school rugby right now it almost makes one want to cry it is so depressing.....

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  6. Harry Craig
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    Why do you have to do one or the other? The season has always been the same here in Ontario and it is still growing.

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  8. Bandito
    Member

    [Insert comment about clubs relying on good adult players from other provinces and foreigners.]

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  10. PALADIN
    Member

    Bandito A SIMPLE PLAN

    West coast clubs using the best players from
    the rest of Canada plus a limited number of
    imports(2 to 4 max) is the best way to build
    our National Team. It's cheap(to RC)and effective.
    Four years of doing that and Canada would no
    longer be an embarrassment on the world scene.
    Your thoughts?

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  12. seagull
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    Capilano, Cowichan, Velox and the Rowers are now relegated.

    What is surprising is the Caps and to a lesser extent Velox......clubs that were at the top of the heap only a few years ago. A blow to BC Rugby for sure. Both with good Junior programs too.

    Good on Meralomas, Bayside and Abbotsford, the only 3 qualifying clubs that don't have to rely on non local players from outside to be successful.

    Until the BCRU smartens up and controls the movement of the best players and the "paid" players coming to only a few clubs, rugby is, at least in BC, on a slippery slope.

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  14. OHBOY
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    What is the point??

    Capilano and Cowichan have had more age grade players represent Canada and BC then every other club in the Province during the last 10 years, yet as of yesterday they both find themselves on the outside looking in.....

    While the top clubs who pretty much do zero for junior development continue to roll along.

    Someone needs to explain to me the sustainability of this system and how it will continue to function in this existence or will it??

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  16. seagull
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    I think we are already seeing the results of the status quo....High School rugby is dropping as are youth numbers at clubs.

    We've already seen 5-7 clubs disappear in an age where other sports in BC are flourishing. Rugby in BC is busy constricting when Football, Hockey, Lacrosse and Curling are growing and expanding.

    When 50% of the top teams bring players in that displace the local players...the locals stop playing and even more importantly, stop supporting the grass roots.

    Why are BC's Provincial sides coming off their worst performance....ever......? Figure it out...There's no one from BC playing at the top level!

    Bayside was successful this week in challenging Burnaby's 9 "questionable" import players.

    Some BC clubs are busy bringing good Ontario guys who play 20 games in BC then go back and play 20 games in Ontario. No wonder Ontario is getting better.......they play twice as many high level games as we do out here!

    When locals are displaced...so go their families...the people that buy the hot dogs, something to drink and maybe pay a gate...

    The elephant in the room is looming. Wake up folks...it will take strong people at the league level to tell these clubs to pack up the "win at all costs" attitudes at the behest and detriment of the league as a whole.

    Did we know 20 carded/paid players are attached to only 3 clubs are a value of over $100,000.00 worth of paid players to each of those sides? Only 3 of those carded players are local.

    How can the league allow a club to roster 8 carded players then, over X-mas, be able to bolster their team with 4 more eastern players who are on the Canada long list right behind these carded athletes?

    Any dope can figure out that when you have all the paid/top players on only a few teams in an amateur league displacing and playing against amateur locals...well the results speak for themselves don't they.

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  18. winger14
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    That's just Bayside doing whatever they can by whatever means they deem necessary to stay up. Sour grapes from a club with it's own healthy foreign contingent.

    For the record, Burnaby does have a junior program and is working diligently to build boys AND girls teams in the Burnaby and New Westminster high schools.

    Winger14

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  20. rucknmaul
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    Seagull, besides the Ravens centre from South Africa, who on the UBCOB Ravens is not local?

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  21. knower
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    winger14 said:
    That's just Bayside doing whatever they can by whatever means they deem necessary to stay up. Sour grapes from a club with it's own healthy foreign contingent.

    For the record, Burnaby does have a junior program and is working diligently to build boys AND girls teams in the Burnaby and New Westminster high schools.

    Winger14

    For the record Caps did not field a U19 team this fall.
    Do not know why as they have sole access to top rugby
    schools. Ask Craig Slay, he spins a good yarn.

    DON'T COUNT CAPS OUT!! They have asked the BCRU to check
    Burnaby game sheets for too many import players.
    My call (assuming BCRU has the balls) is that CAPS will
    be IN and Burnaby will be on a bus to Seattle to play
    Div 2 rugby. Cheaters should not prosper!!

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  22. winger14
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    What we (the BCRU) should do is limit premier spots to kids born in BC, or at least those that have fulfilled a continuous residency requirement of 3 years.

    Never happen.

    Winger14

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  23. OHBOY
    Member

    Totally agree with that winger, import rules should apply to everyone outside of BC, but as you said that will never happen. It is far easier to harvest other peoples hard work then to put in your own hard work and grow your own players....

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  24. rugbyfan07
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    Give your heads a shake, it's Canada not china people move all the time for various reason. The only import rule should be for foreigners and the British. We just need to tighten up the player to club loyalty or commitment by having players sign contracts to a club that if broken one club pays another.

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  25. Harry Craig
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    I think BC clubs should pay a development fee to other clubs across the country for keeping the supply up since you can't seem to produce your own. Can we make it retroactive? Fan07, if you haven't notice the British are foreign.

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  26. abbyhalfback
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    An import rule????

    There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures ....... and the Dutch.

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  27. seagull
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    Ruckinmaul...The problem with the Ravens is that when you don't have a Junior program, you need to poach players from clubs that do.

    I may be wrong, but I don't think the Raven's have had a U-19 team for some time. You tell me then, how can they even qualify to play at this level if it says in the rules you have to support a Junior program to be able to field a team at this level.

    The Ravens, like a couple of other clubs, can focus ALL their attention and dollars on 2-3 teams where clubs like 3 of the 4 that were relegated spend their dollars and volunteer time on 13-14 teams, 8 of which are Juniors. If the Caps spent all their time and money on two teams, instead of the whole package, imagine how good they'd be!

    Burnaby does have a good Junior program...so why is it then that they need to import a bunch of players to bolster their top side? That is a direct problem of a local side (Burnaby) not being able to compete with local players and what is going on in Victoria. If you can't beat them join them I guess.

    Harry's and rugbyfan have good points. Why should clubs like Abbotsford, a key development club, be paying huge sums registration money to develop club rugby when several "top clubs" get away with running only a couple of teams at the top level, costing relatively nothing (except behind the scenes) to bring players in and win.

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  28. rucknmaul
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    The Ravens haven't had a junior team in a few years. However, young players that generally feed the Ravens out of Lord Byng, St. Georges and some Magee players have stepped right up and played for the 2nds. I agree that this is not ideal, and there should be a junior program in place, but there are still a lot of players coming through the ranks. We do put significant resources into the mini program which will hopefully pay dividends in the future.

    But we are not a club that relies heavily on recruiting from out of province or other clubs. One of the problems is that many Ravens end up going to University and are unavailable for 4 years. This is exactly what is happening at the Ravens now. The Ravens current success is very much attributable to a number of kids that returned from school out east and Uvic.

    In the pack there are as follows: 4 St georges and 3 Lord Byng

    In the backs there are: 3 St.Georges, one Magee and 2 Uvic

    So as you can see a lot of local talent.

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  29. rugbyfan07
    Member

    Harry you dolt....the british are worse than foreigners

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  30. winger14
    Moderator

    Oh and by the way the BLRC thirds was made up of a very strong contingent of Junior grads. Takes time as we all know.

    If we have an import rule then why not have it apply to all non BC residents? Oh yeah because that wouldn't be fair to the other clubs that develop players in another clubs junior program in Ontario, Alberta, Quebec the Maritimes...

    Yeah...I like the Dutch. Good people. Nice shoes and they invented windmills.

    Winger14

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  31. rugbyfan07
    Member

    If you reside somewhere aren't you a resident? And its. easier to track foreigners as they usually speak funny.

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  32. winger14
    Moderator

    Ha Ha...As in residing in the province for..oh say...3 years in a row...

    Winger14

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  33. Harry Craig
    Member

    I may be a dolt but I try not to be xenophobic.

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  34. Harry Craig
    Member

    Winger there is also something called the Charter, part of Canadian law, that may prevent you stopping Canadians from playing.

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  35. Popo
    Member

    Harry you might want to read the charter. The mobility rights only apply to place of residence and employment.

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  36. oldmanrugby
    Member

    The schedule has been posted. Teams that made the CDI Prem League: JBAA, UVIC, CW, UBCOB, Lomas, Burnaby, Bayside, Abbotsford.
    Heard from a friend that in the past 2 weeks Caps + Bayside challenged the ethnicity of Burnabys players, but they were legit.
    I'm looking forward to watching some high level games this year in the Premier League!!

    On the other hand, what are the score lines of Capilano vs Brit-Lions, Capilano vs Kamloops going to look like? Especially in the 2nd division games! Will that be good for rugby in BC?

    I never understood what was wrong with having a Premier League filled with the teams that wanted to be in the Premier League.

    Perhaps someone can explain to me the benefits of a relegation league?

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  37. rugbyfan07
    Member

    There are none just ask cowichan. They won the BC prems one year and than were relegated the next than had there top players poached away by JBAA and OAK BAY

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  38. bisquit
    Member

    Despite a massive win over France B, Canada has slipped to 15th with Georgia passing them in the latest IRB World Rankings. Tier 3 look out.

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  39. newbie
    Member

    I would love to know what "top players" from Cowichan were poached away by CW and JBAA, and what year did they win the BC Prem's?

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  40. Popo
    Member

    1997 and 1998 I do believe were the years Cowichan took it all in BC. Did it with a monstrous pack and steady back play.

    Some great players on those teams.

    Not sure which ones went to OB or JBAA if any. I remember it was an older team when they won. Kind of like the Leafs last Stanley cup Squad of 1967.

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