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Injustice in Women's Rugby

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  2. clyde
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    Scrumdown, this is an outrage. I have no doubt that the Calgary Police Service will act swiftly to ensure that the laws of the land are enforced, and the CCIAC will be subject to the full measure of the law for uttering threats against the person of any of these inspiring women.

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  4. Juniorcoach
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    Well, as is usual with these discussions, tempers run a bit "hot"...
    I think that what has to happen now is for the CCIAC and ALL clubs across the country to have a long hard look at themselves. This event certainly hasn't been without precedent and in my club, we've had two (or was it three?) mass desertions from the womens' program over the space of about 25 years. This isn't about women acting childishly, on the contrary, it's about fairness and equality. For too long I've seen womens' programs being chronically under-funded and mismanaged. The Men's programs generally get the lions share of any fundraising money (events, bingoes etc.) and dues to pay for the Senior Men's head coach. As was pointed out earlier in this thread, the "Head Coach" title usually means running a couple of scrum sessions with the women and that's about it. I can say that this is essentially true of all clubs. The primary objective of any BOD and club is to ensure that they are delivering quality programs to their membership. If most of the monies generated only go to funding a men's program, then obviously, this "taxation structure" isn't going to sit well with womens' or junior teams.
    This obviously just isn't an "Irish" issue. On occasion, something big like this has to happen so that we can all sit down and try to avoid having this happen to any other clubs.

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  6. clyde
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    Being in posession of all the facts, you've provided your insightful analysis of the problem, rather than jumping to conclusions without any knowledge of the parties and events involved. Thanks for letting us know what it is and isn't about. Bless you, Juniorcoach.

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  8. rugbyflare
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    Congratulations Clyde. You have just cemented to these women that their decision to leave was the right one.
    If you had treated them with respect they might have regretted their decision to leave. Instead you insist on being sarcastic towards their fight to play.
    As for this thread...its been highlighted earlier by others that the Irish/Clyde can start a thread/facebook page of their own. I just hope if you do its one that does not contain "theoretical/hypothetical" situations which you seem to dream up with ease.

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  10. Juniorcoach
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    I'm not entirely sure if that is sarcasm or not...

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  12. Juniorcoach
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    Juniorcoach said:
    I'm not entirely sure if that is sarcasm or not Clyde...

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  14. Juniorcoach
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    clyde said:
    Being in posession of all the facts, you've provided your insightful analysis of the problem, rather than jumping to conclusions without any knowledge of the parties and events involved. Thanks for letting us know what it is and isn't about. Bless you, Juniorcoach.

    I'm leaning to the more sarcasm point...
    Yes, I am in possession of many facts, I've been privy to almost everything that has happened in this debacle. I've heard of everything.
    The Irish are a proud team with a great tradition. (Going back to the "Shifty" and "Shaw" days). They have consistently set the benchmark for rugby in the city and have produced many great players and coaches. Whenever a Canada player moves to our city, they inevitably go there. They have truly been a great organization. (Inasmuch as I hated playing against them "back in the day".)
    I have many friends in the Irish organization, either old boys, or the new crop of kids that I regularly see. (Had drinks with a few of them last night!)
    I've been involved with Calgary Rugby for almost 30 years and sat at the "big table" more times than I can remember. I've been involved with my club exec on and off since the late eighties.
    So yes, I do have the facts. I won't mention all the backroom stuff that I've heard about (and seen the e-mails to back it up). I certainly won't mention the politicking against members of my club and I certainly won't talk about the crazy executive correspondences either.
    I've heard all the grievances and since I've sat "at the big table", I only have the interest of rugby at heart. (And I have sacrificed my clubs interests for the betterment of the game on numerous occasions).
    I look at this from a fairly dispassionate eye as I look at the sport "as a whole" and how to grow it and promote it within our city. It seems to me that what is happening/happened with the Irish is just a microcosm of what happens everywhere else in Canada in rugby. This is not a condemnation of the CCIAC, moreover, it should be a wake-up call to the Irish and the rest of Canadian rugby. We all scream for "democracy" and "transparency" with our elected government, shouldn't this be the same for all amateur sports?
    The Irish should look at what they've done right, and wrong and try and correct the wrongs and accentuate the rights. No need for being an ***hole when the obvious is pointed out.

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  16. Faust
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    It is a shame when a bunch of individuals use their personal influence and status to move club rugby and agenda to their personal benefit.
    The list can be listed by the pages like who works at the Union or gets contracts. Firing employees behind the backs of Union BOD and without authority. Importing players to gain first division status so you can make first division team and play Rep Rugby. Pushing players to move, because of coach preference. Punishing players, because mistakes the club made. Adding a women's team without consent of the club. Breaking contracts with associated Women's club.

    I have seen third world nations that are less corrupt than the Union Rugby in this province. No offence to the past presidents, but I know one particular one on that list that put in Alberta Rep Players in a 4th Division match just to get his team in the playoffs (when his 1st div was out).

    If you want to build up grassroots rugby, then clean up the corruption and BS behind the scenes. Just because something is legal, does not make it right. Self Serving Club (and certain individuals) who only seek short term gain for personal/club gain at the expense of Rugby as sport and its ability to build character, are the ones who are killing the sport.

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  18. Juniorcoach
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    Can't add anything to that...well said!

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  20. bcrugbychick
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    the girls will have a decision from rugby alberta by tomorrow from what i have heard...

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  21. clyde
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    Juniorcoach, could I have your autograph? Thanks for weighing in with that unbiased advice for the Irish. But gosh, weren't you a little hard on the women involved?

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  22. Smallprint
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    We get it Clyde. You are in possession of your opinion and your set of facts, and no matter who raises whatever reasonable argument in favor of the suspended women, you will shoot down their arguments in a mean spirited way without resorting to provable facts. You will continue to sling mud at whoever disagrees with you. We get it.

    Sadly, in a nutshell you are what is wrong with Canadian Rugby. The transparency and democracy that is referred to by Junior Coach is sadly missing at too many levels in Canadian Rugby. The agenda Agents that Faust refers to are more insidious than he imagines because those too often those Agents with an agenda are not in it for personal gain, they just continue to force their agenda. An person whose agenda is for personal gain is rather easy to identify and stop whereas, the "old boys" club is much harder to combat because they are too frequently against change simply because it is change. They are happy with status quo. The status quo breeds complacency, complacency leads to mediocrity, and mediocrity is an apt description for the state of rugby in Canada. Since the advent of professionalism we have failed to keep pace at a multitude of levels, and instead of making the hard decisions to changes, our infrastructure is content to point the finger and blame someone else. It's RC's fault grassroots rugby is struggling, no it's provincial unions fault, no it's the sub-unions, no wait, it's the clubs. How about this novel idea, the blame for the sorry state of rugby in this country can be shared by all involved.

    And what's worse, personalities like Clyde, who seem to enjoy crapping on good people, for whatever agenda Clyde may have, are driving good people, players, volunteers and paid employees away from this sport. How about this novel idea Clyde - if you don't like it, leave. Let us try and work it out without you. I am willing to bet rugby will still be around long after you and I are around despite your best efforts. There's my last rant on this thread. This entire topic sickens me.

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  23. bill clinton
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    Hey Juniorcoach

    Don't mind that little troll named clyde...

    He trolls these forums attacking people that appear to have more knowledge than him.

    he has little case of small man syndrome

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  24. scrumdown
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    Juniorcoach and Smallprint...Excellent input.

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  25. Faust
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    Smallprint, unfortuately in this case, there is issues on both sides and there is no angel. This became a lose lose situation. Almost the whole Irish BOD is up this year. Hopefully they will not just blame the ones who left. But again the comments of the some of ladies were not good either. I witnessed them. Bad break up, learn from the mistakes, so lets move on.

    To all on this thread, please cool down the insults or your post will be deleted.

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  26. winger14
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    Closing this, and the SLS thread are also becoming options...

    Winger14

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  27. Juniorcoach
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    Juniorcoach, could I have your autograph? Thanks for weighing in with that unbiased advice for the Irish.

    Not just advice for the Irish, but for all of rugby Canada. I'm not wading into the dispute. Moreover I'm just trying to point out that the Irish made mistakes that many other clubs have done in the past. On an interesting note, I tried to give advice to a president of another club in Calgary years ago and he likewise took offense. Now their club is in shambles and a few simple measures would have prevented it. Please, put aside the vitriol, and listen to "someone who has been there before". It's amazing what you will learn when you put away the poison pen and open your mind.

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  28. scrumdown
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    It appears the the ARU has overturned the sanctions and that the ladies will not miss any games from their suspension.

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  29. Juniorcoach
    Member

    "Play on!"

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  30. bcrugbychick
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    congrats to these 5 girls, hopefully other clubs take notice that disrepect and inequalities between men and women at the club level do not have to be tolerated and something else is available for you to not have to deal with that crap!!! good luck in the rest of your season!!

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  31. winger14
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    Congrats Ladies!

    Now let's all move on.

    Winger14

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