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irb Funding - Trickle down effect

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  2. Darcy Rota
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    Posters from Victoria don't seem to realize that Victoria youth rugby is disappearing.

    What was once the hotbed of youth rugby is getting worse and worse.

    Rugby Canada setting up 2 franchises in Victoria has actually hurt Victoria youth rugby. This is the long term is very bad for Canadian rugby.

    Posters from Victoria seem to take such pride winning an amateur beer league title due to their Rugby Canada imports.

    Kind of pathetic really.

    Rugby Canada is actually destroying Victoria /south Island rugby in both club and highschool by their short sighted approached of air lifting in rep players. Development is the key to Canadian rugby. Thankfully clubs like Caps, Abby, Bayside, and Burnably know how to develop youth.

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  4. Harry Craig
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    As do clubs across the country, especilly here in Ontario, home of the current Canadian champions the Blues.

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  6. growapair
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    This conversation has been going on ad nauseam for years now. I would have thought that it was pretty obvious by now that the rugby world has moved on. How long are we going to continue rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic? And who’s conducting the band?

    The CRC needs to continue to be developed as the place for our elite players that don’t have a professional contract overseas.

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  8. winger14
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    PALADIN said:
    Winger Where did I use the word "Fund" with regards to
    Rugby Canada?
    Lets just agree that you and Pop have different
    ideas on how to improve rugby in Canada.
    A question that you should ask:"What experience have
    I/we had in producing successful rugby programs?"

    Other than BC and Ontario, What other province
    could lay claim to a "Premier League" without
    laughing?

    When you mentioned support from Rugby Canada I took that to mean Financial Support. I take it that you aren't referring to money then. Fair enough.

    Not sure what my involvement in coaching a successful high school, club and rep team have to do with anything, but ok. ..I've done some, but I don't pretend to be an expert. I've been lucky with some good athletes. Or was that rhetorical? Lost me on that one.

    The Atlantic teams have a premier league, or at least they did. Not sure what's happened there. Any chance of other regions having a premier club competition require their best players to stay at home.

    As growapair said, let's not re-arrange the deckchairs on the Titanic (like that one!)

    Moving along...

    Winger14

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  10. Darcy Rota
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    It even looks like Rugby Canada has somehow destroyed the Boot Competition - one of the greatest rugby rivalries in Canada.

    About the 'Boot'
    More commonly known as "The Boot", the home-and-home series played between the province's top university rugby programs will be in its 41st edition this year. The annual competition was named after the late Brian Wightman, who was at the helm of the Thunderbirds from 1964-1967. The trophy for the annual competition features Wightman's boot, which was stolen and bronzed by his players. The "Boot Game" has featured the Vikes and Thunderbirds every year since 1970 with the exception of the 1978-79 season when UBC hosted Stanford. The Vikes have won 14 consecutive titles, recording the highest ever point margin in 2009-2010, outscoring the Thunderbirds 117-23.

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  12. Harry Craig
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    Explain how Rugby Canada has destroyed the boot competion, please.

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  14. Darcy Rota
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    Rugby Canada stacks up the UVIC team by promising future opportunities if players move to Victoria.

    By stacking up 1 team ( UVIC ) a great historical rugby competition in Canada has been destroyed.

    When 1 team wins 15 yrs in a row and now is winning by close to 100 pts, i think you can say the BOOT competion has been destroyed.

    Well done Rugby Canada, more damage you have done to Canadian rugby. Too bad as the boot competition is a real piece of Canadian rugby history which is something CDN rugby could really use right about now.

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  16. Darcy Rota
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    What would donn spence have to say about the current situation ? He was truly a legend in Canadian Rugby.

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  18. Popo
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    It is sad that one of the two storied University rugby programs has dropped so far as an indirect result of RC policies.

    UVIC has always had a good program with good dedicated coaches but there can be no argument that the two single best things to happen to UVIC rugby in the past 15 years was the cancelling of the Pride program and centralizing of players in Victoria.

    I just can't see how any of this (centralizing players in Victoria int he current format) has been good for rugby in Canada, and BC.

    Its like biting off ones nose to spite your face.

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  20. knower
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    Where would you put future Canada players and their coaches? Regina? Halifax? St Johns?

    UVic was a rugby power long before Rugby Canada arrived.
    Problem is the much larger UBC has slipped from their
    Glory Days in the 1960/70.

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  21. Popo
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    Not true Knower, UVIC had some good seasons but was not a power like it is now.

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  22. Toothlesstiger
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    Well Gentlemen, as usual we are all over the map on this very important issue as to who shares in the profits of the RWC.

    How can the "minnows' continue on the tenuous road to improving their standings in the world rankings. and get the most out of their share of the iRB funding / RWC profits.

    Without the minnows the tournament would function on a 16 team format.

    That will reduce the amount of TV and Marketing revenues for the Tournament.

    It will make the RWC v Soccer World Cup look a bit small and less significant, not quite qualifying as the 3rd largest world competition, again impacting the revenue streams and subsequent profits.

    Nations like Canada have to bond / network more closely with like sized nations, even including the original member club, the SRU who like ourselves are being shut out by their fellow original members at time of their need.

    The RWC is a 5 week bonanza of rugby and while NZ is inadequate to facilitate such a Rugby World event from an infra structure I will say that the locals did come out and fill those 20,000 + stands game after game.

    The competition for those spots 16 to 20 or 24 should be structured in some format of a Nations Rugby Championship involving the teams from the RWC rankings of 11 thru to 24 who would be funded by the iRB equally to play a series of one off internationals over a 24 month period, one such international each month during the years 2 and 3 between RWC and in the 4th year leading up to the RWC say in London the top four national teams from this competition would have their round robin and elimination games to define who proceeds to the RWC and into which pools they would be playing in.

    The experience of this level of competition will bring the level of the "minnows" closer to that of that which the top original 8 nations say they have attained.

    It will give a monthly series of lead-up games to the Cup bringing in more TV coverage , marketing revenues and a better out come for team and young players from nations like ourselves, Canada, USA etc. etc.

    It may well stimulate the fans in the UK to give greater support at the ticket stiles for those pool games which in the past the UK fans have historically turned their backs on.

    But first we have to have partners working and pulling together to bring change about at the iRB table. I do not think our current gin & tonic blazer brigade are clued into this approach.

    The Pride was an excellent plan but even it's hero David Clarke could not tolerate the possibility of opening it upto an West & East program and even then Rick Suggit could not buy into a u 20 / 21 in Kingston and a u20 / mens in the West. Pity but with regards to where our best players should be is to spend the Winter in the West and then truck them East for the Summer & Fall ( Nfld. but for the air logistics would be an excellent juxtaposition to Victoria) but there are many such venues such Twin Elms and it's university facilities near by or Kingston at Queens or even the new rugby centre at Trent Univ in Peterboro.

    With a twenty-four game schedule which could see Canada playing teams from both side of Canada home or away such division of camps would work out just splendidly and our home fans from coast to coast would have an excellent chance to see their team in action.

    Oh you say this is the ram of a yesterday - blazer touting man, well I have to contradict you there. I have never been one for sticking with status quo hence my position of sitting on the outside of things like many others looking in on more efforts who cannot see past the "way we were".

    Good luck and thanks again for the opportunity to share our ideas

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  23. PALADIN
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    Popo said:
    Not true Knower, UVIC had some good seasons but was not a power like it is now.

    I played for the Vikes from 67-72 and we played in 4 BC
    club finals(Rounsfell Cup). Won one.

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  24. winger14
    Moderator

    For the sake of the discussion, what were the scores vs UBC during those years? Assuming you can remember, it was the late 60's and early 70's after all...

    Winger14

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  25. Darcy Rota
    Member

    UBC rugby was a BC power in the early 80's under Donn.

    Probably the best club side in North America.

    UVic has prospered under Rugby Canada sponsorship much like the Victoria clubs and Shanigan Lake Highschool.

    This Rugby Canada sponsorship has destroyed the BC competitions and is eliminating fine traditions like the BOOT.

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  26. Harry Craig
    Member

    Darcy that is your opinion and you are entitled to it but that does not make it fact. They are many factors at play here and your explanation is simplistic. Rugby Canada's job is to do what is best for Canada, not any one province.

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  27. PALADIN
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    winger14 said:
    For the sake of the discussion, what were the scores vs UBC during those years? Assuming you can remember, it was the late 60's and early 70's after all...

    Winger14

    Winger I was trying to make the point that the Vikes in the
    late 60's early 70's were a rugby power in BC. Today's
    Vikes rarely make the BC Final.
    During my time, UBC had one of the stongest rugby
    programs in the province.

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  28. Toothlesstiger
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    Winger, I thought the subject of the thread is the "iRB trickle down effect"

    Even you as a monitor allows oneself to get lost and wandered in the nostalgia of what BC rugby used to be.

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  29. winger14
    Moderator

    We were talking about the IRB now funding Uvic, as compared to when they didn't.

    :-D

    Winger14

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  30. sm00thrider
    Member

    Two moderators sharing one brain.

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  31. winger14
    Moderator

    LOL Although I prefer doing it over a pint, especially when it's with Gord. Always good fun.

    Winger14

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