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  2. rusty_lock
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    Not starting so good yet.

    Absolutely owned by SA 43-0 and a tough loss to Fiji 28-19. They were up 12-0 at one point and 12-7 at the half.

    Hopefully we will turn it around with france.

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  4. CanNZ
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    Canada will be playing the U.S. in the Bowl semi final in just over an hour.

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  6. rusty_lock
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    Great turn around on day 2. Well done boys! Now just Portugul stands between us and hardware.

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  8. CanNZ
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    Canada defeated Portugal 19 - 17.

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  10. rusty_lock
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    Absolutely exception performance by all. Hirayama is turning out to be a stellar 7's player. Great turn around in just one year with the future looking very bright with so many young guns on the way up.

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  12. CanNZ
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    Very happy for the boys.

    Have to ask, do any of you guys think that we can translate the success of our younger sevens players to the 15's game?

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  14. Oldbrokendownscrummachine
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    No.
    Unfortunately.
    Horses for courses.
    Only need to look at Kenya, Fiji, Samoa, for how much of a translation 7's success has to 15's. Even NZ, Australia, England etc rarely graduate 7's stars to anything resembling stellar 15's careers.
    Having said that - if 7's is a goal unto itself then the Cdn 7's braintrust, such as it is, has stumbled upon what amounts to a decent strategy - itentify players that have the right 7's style of physical body, skill, and potential and make them into a team. Get them when they are young - so they don't know any better, and tell them they can win. The results can already be seen - good job!
    Being Canada - we will likely see some of these emerging 7's players in our 15's - perhaps hailed as the next big thing - when of course they won't be, can't be - they will be good if not great 7's players - and that should be hailed as a triumph - particularly when 7's will now get increasing attention as an Olympic sport.
    7's, already on the fringes of "real" rugby, will I predict, over the next few years, and particularly in the aftermath of what will be a significant Olympic success in 2016 veer away from the 15's game - and players in many countries will be streamed at early age into the 7's game, and will have little time to play and therefore understand intuitively the 15's version. Their body type, skill levels, and game awareness will not easily translate to 15's - In the same way League and Union transitions are not always easy because the games are quite different.
    Canada will continue to struggle in the 15's version until they can foster a situation where their top 100 or so players can train and play full 15's rugby full-time, in a competitive environment, ideally in NA. Where the next tier, and the tiers after that of 300-500 players are identified and streamed into increasing levels of domestic competition (acadamies, semi-professinal full-time 2nds etc) leading up to the national team.
    Unfortunatley, three to four weeks in a touring 7's roadshow is not the makings of a successful 15's development strategy.
    I think we need a summit on the state of the entire game in this country. We need to determine - where are we going, what is the purpose of RC, the Provinces, the Branches etc. Is professionalism a goal, who handles the weekend beer leagues if the goal is to create an elite infrastructure. What does development really look like. Is spending Cdn money in a North Wales league helping development back home. Does a 1950's club structure serve the goals of modern Cdn rugby. What does the landscape look like in 5 or 10 or 15 years if we 1) continue on this path or 2) make changes and define a real strategy.
    Just some thoughts.
    Cheers.

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  16. Toothlesstiger
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    Gutsy and very perceptive "oldbrokendownscrumhalf" which obviously can cover a multitude of people.

    I have to say the 7s Program that we in the group of lesser rugby nations are hanging our hats and futures on is positive from our political life but it does not quite dovetail into the premiers nations 15s game.

    I can only imagine that a successful player who has served on a 7s squad exclusively for say 3-4 years must have a tremendous work load physically as well as mentally to fit back into a full 15s squad.

    These players definitely do learn on the circuit all manner of playing nuances, but as they relate to 7 man opposition on a full sized international field.

    Moving back to the 15 a-side the field neither gets bigger or smaller but sure is over crowed and not to many places to go.

    Naturally, the very best will make a successful transition. You are seeing more of the senior nations teams filtering in a fair number of their 7s players back into the test teams in the back 7 but not too often hookers or backrow players.

    From the political side of the game the 7s and the Olympics is a ploy for such nations a USA & Canada to either engage their national governments and Olympic Associations to generate new found funding. The desired outcome of the iRB is that there will be less demands upon them, the World governing body to anti - up any more hard cash for the development of the game other than for their beloved national teams RWC championships, than they can possibly get away with.

    [Now we see that in essence their are only 7 founding nations - Scotland, poor both in cash and player depth wise have now been polite enough to "ask" to be excluded from 3 test tours]

    The beneficial political spin off in the case of our Canadian programs will be hopefully to provide Sport Canada [wow you west coasters do have a doosie their in the Gary Lunn as Minister of Sport- bet he would be like a bar of soap in the shower room after a game of rugby. Rugby, I think not[b]!!) with sufficient grounds to continue to fund Rugby Canada.

    The big buy-in here in the 7s is that the Canadian Womens Team will now finally have two world championships to compete in and secure funding for their 7s and carded player programs.

    Let us be honest, the Women's programs have until the introduction of the OLYMPIC 7s has never had any sustainable funding directly targeted for their benefit.

    Take a look at R.C. attempts to bush-whack the provinces at this late stage in the proceedings of the preparations for the 2010 WRWC to stump the money. As has been pointed out to me by those who have to deal with this enviable task at the Provincial level, that RC has only had 4 years to sort this out and why now, just in time business model.

    Guilt and embarrassment will see the monies come saving once again both the Board and the Executive Staffs scalps.

    Well may thanks for this thread OLDBROKENDOWNSCRUMHALF but it will be too cerebral for most of the punters on here to buy into or see the wood and the "trees" when in the forest.

    Good luck to the Canadian Women's National Team at the upcoming WRWC.

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