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Posted 1 year ago
rusty_lock
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Great first up win against Argentina. Well done men, looking forward to the rest of the tourney.

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Posted 1 year ago
Harry Craig
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Good win. Now Australia, wouldn't that be a scalp.

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Posted 1 year ago
rusty_lock
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Wow 17-7 for Can. at the half

Wouldn't this be an incredible. Just seven more minutes to go

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Posted 1 year ago
Harry Craig
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Only lost by 2, beat Zimbabwe bigtime and get second in the pool.

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Posted 1 year ago
tlml1234
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are you watching the game online and if so where?

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Posted 1 year ago
rusty_lock
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I was just getting the updates from irbsevens.com. I couldn't find a source to view on line. Apparently Sky has the rights in europe but for some reason wasn't broadcasting it.

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Posted 1 year ago
Harry Craig
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I couldn't find it was just following on the IRB site. We are up against France in the Bowl quarter on Sunday. I think it will be about 11:00 pm EDT so around eight on the west coast.

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Posted 1 year ago
shack
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I just read the write up on the RC site about Can vs. Aus and it looks like there could be some questions asked about the refereeing. What did Hearn get sinbinned for and how do you call a put in Feeding in sevens, especially at this level! Could it be they just didn't want to see Australia relagated to the bowl??

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Posted 1 year ago
tlml1234
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in the bowl final vs Japan,can be seen online go to my p2p,and follow the instr.

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Posted 1 year ago
growapair
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Well, Canada win the Bowl, beating Argentina, Wales, and France along the way, and narrowly losing to Australia. Well done boys!

They now sit 14th in the world. OTP funding anyone?

I’ll be interested to read Morgan Williams follow-up letter in BC Rugby news.

Posted 1 year ago #
Keep Talking
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Morgan has always been all about himself and that letter on bcrugbynews proves just that. He is obviously angry and bitter that he doesn't have the job but instead of trying to talk up the players who made him seem a good coach, he rather tries to turn the small positive rugby community we have into disbelievers in not only the system but effectively against the current players.
Grow up Morgan and move on with your life, you're the past.

I think the teams fitness seemed pretty good and they're obviously playing for each other which is a good thing. Everyone might not agree on the new coach or what happens behind the seen but as long as the boys stay a tight group they will continue to improve.

Well done guys on winning the Bowl.

Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyflare
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Best move was that Mensah-Coker couldn't make the tournament... He should be left off the list from here on out.

Posted 1 year ago #
Harry Craig
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I have met but don't really know both Geraint John and Morgan Williams. I thought Morgan was doing a great job and think his firing was not a good move and may have been partly a fianancial move as much as a rugby one. Not enough information was given at the time for me to form a good opinion on the pros and cons. Many people on this forum seem to beat up, with great pleasure, Mr John. I think he has been in a hard positon since he came to Canada but again the circumstances surrounded his original appointment and then his switching to sevens coach have never really been explained to my, or most peoples satisfaction.

This lack of information is the big problem and I would like to see the board of Rugby Canada rectify it. The board should set policy and the employees impliment it.

It was a good result in Hong Kong this weekend, the same as last year if I recall correctly when we also won the Bowl with Morgan coaching. A lot of people were ready to dump all over John if he didn't get results, how many will give him credit now that we did.

I'm just glad we won the Bowl again and hope we can do as well or hopefully better in the last two tournaments and next year.

Well done to all the players, coaches and management team and support staff. We beat three core teams on the way and barely lost to Australia, hard not to say the weekend was a great success for us to go along with the great win by the women.

Posted 1 year ago #
Frank
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The Bowl, whippie do. Imagine what these players would have done if the coaches showed up to training

They might have won the Plate!!

With a little more effort, they might have challenged for the Cup!

Then they would be in same bracket as the women, out winning CUPS!!!

Fire GJ and hire JT.

Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyfan07
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I hear a few of the senior 7s players are going to make themselves unavailable until there are changes to the program.. I was told by one that they are not happy with the program and are the ones running things not Mr. Johns.

Posted 1 year ago #
newbie
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A senior player revolt! Good luck with that boys. There is lots and lots of talent left at home and on the bench just waiting to step into your positions.

Posted 1 year ago #
treetop
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Newbie who are all these players you speak of? At this point last year we were ranked 11th, finished top 8 in NZ and won the bowl. Then we went on to win the bowl in London. Currently we are behind the likes of Russia, Portugal, Scotland and the USA!!!! Keep Talking, I think you know nothing about rugby, maybe you should talk to the players before you come up with dim witted replies. Currently we have no OTP money, and are 14th in the ranking, but guess you know your stuff and the current administration is doing a great job!!! You sound like you work for RC???? We are getting worse and being past by the likes of Russia!!! Where's the silver lining in your view?

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Keep Talking
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Treetop, how do i sound like i work for RC? I never said the current admin is doing a good job or is the right people to run it. What i did say was if you read correctly that Morgan needs to stop whining about not having the job anymore and which in result makes everyone who reads his comments negative.
I've spoken to plenty of players and friends who are currently involved with the 7's and i know they feel that there is a lack of training sessions but thats not going to stop them from playing their hearts out for their country every time they step on the field. I've even heard of guys saying that they might run their own sessions to improve their fitness and skills. Like Phil said in his interview that they are a tight group of players but also good friends at home.
I'd expect Scotland to be ahead of us in the standings, they have a professional league that most of their players play in and up to last year had contracted 7's specialists. Portugal and Russia had one good tournament, that doesn't mean that they are better than us.

Posted 1 year ago #
ARugbyTeacher
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Treetop:

The comments that you and Morgan make would be so much more credible if it wasn't obvious that you both have axes to grind.

There is no plausible way to paint the success of the Senior Men's 7's team in Hong Kong (not to mention the women) as anything other then brilliant.

Even without JMC, Evans and Paris they won every game but one, and (except for a questionable misfeed into the scrum in the last second of the Australia match) would have finished in the Top 8, and topped their pool.

You throwing out Russia and Portugal as examples is weak, and you know it. A lot of people were calling our pool in Hong Kong the "Pool of Death". Look at Portugal's pool versus ours. You can't possibly think Portugal was the better team.

But for a stupid decision by the players (not the coaches) in the Bowl Final in Las Vegas, Canada would have two bowl titles to their name this year, with a chance for more trophies in the last two legs.

We finished 10th in Las Vegas and 9th in Hong Kong, both better then our overall ranking from last year.

I think it is a huge mistake to believe that the coaches should get the majority of the blame for near misses... but if you believe that, then you also need to give the coaches credit when the team wins.

Otherwise you have no credibility.

The men are not getting OTP money because we are not close to a medal. We wern't when Morgan was there, and we are not now. The women are.

Canada is doing well, and slagging the program, after such a huge week for them, is hugely disrespectful to the guys who went out there and busted A$$ for thier country.

Posted 1 year ago #
treetop
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The rankings don't lie, we are behind them, last year we were ranked higher than Scotland!! To me reading the article it is refreshing to actually hear the truth about what's going on, and it seems MW is still very passionate about the 7's and wants to point out to the public the lack of leadership from RC. It's not supposed to be the players who are running their own sessions, we pay a coach 80,000 + why isn't he doing his job? MW is probably happier to out of RC, the lack of leadership and direction is enough to make anyone want not to be there. Yes MW did alot on his own but ask any of the players, it was all about the team and the players, he didn't seem to mind to step on RC toes to get the job done, and I applaud that.

Posted 1 year ago #
treetop
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look at the facts, last year NZ-top 8, HK-Bowl,London-Bowl-- Finished 11th in the IRB rankings
this year HK-Bowl, ranked 14th
It doesn't take a genius to understand this!!

Posted 1 year ago #
Keep Talking
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Yes we ended 11th last year but that was like you said a bowl finish in London as well. We have 2 more tournaments left and can still improve our rankings. Just because we are 14th right now doesn't mean we'll stay there.

Posted 1 year ago #
winger14
Moderator

There is nothing wrong with players taking ownership and initiative for their own sessions. It could very well turn into one of those little things that helps a team stick to together when the chips are down.

Talk of rankings is premature. Let's see where we end up. We have the capability to surprise even the most die hard of nay-sayers out there.

Winger14

Posted 1 year ago #
Faust
Moderator

The biggest issue I have to the clearity and accountablility of Rugby Canada. MW was fired. Why? No one really knows or it has not been publically released. GJ was demoted into that position. Why? No one truly knows.
JT was fired, then rehired into a different position.

I think RC has done many good things. They have improved its ability to sell products. They have used linkedin, twitter and facebook to try to expand its range of audience.

I still think we are running a third world operation. I still believe that we are not optimizing our resources to get maximize our dollar and attract "investors".

If I were to rank RC's efforts, I would give them a "C". Last Year, it was a solid "F". Issue is that countries underneath us are moving past us.
I was in Ukraine and had good conversation with the Russian National Coach and local Russian Rugby Reporter.
It was really interesting.

Posted 1 year ago #
Shameless Homer
Member

[/url]Has anyone heard about this?

[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tokyo-aiming-high-with-sevenaside-rugby-2228887.html]

It would be good if it's true.

Posted 1 year ago #
knower
Member

Homer Give your head a shake. Not happening!!
Don't they have a bit of radiation floating
around over there?
Check the article's date. Is it April 1st or
March 1 before all the shaking?

GOOD RESULTS IN HK. Well done team Canada!!

Posted 1 year ago #
Frank
Member

From bcrugbynews.com

Next Step for Canada 7s

Hello Mark,

Having Just spent the week with NZ 7s in camp here in Mt Maunganui, it's pretty
obvious why they are #1 in world right now, based on what I've seen in Canada
7s camps over the years, Canada are about 5 years behind in fitness levels
and the skill set under pressure needs drastic attention!

I was fortunate over the years I lived in Canada to go to many Canada 7s camps through my time at the National Coaching Institute and being a BC and National Coach.

All the camps I attended were guided and directed with calculated objectives. Over my time in BC, Ric Suggit and Spencer Robinson were the driving force of 7s in Canada, both with astute minds in the game and a huge passion for the shortened game.

At that particular time, Canada were knocking off top teams periodically and qualifying for the last 8 at the IRB events on a regular basis, the game of 7s was in good hands and moving forward. But since I left in 2007, I have seen multiple changes of staff, carding systems, program direction changes, USA being ranked higher and gaining full access to all IRB tournaments and a general demise in the 7s game.

I personally don’t know why this has happened, but I can only make a calculated guess to assess the downward spiral of the national sevens game in the men’s game!

Since arriving in New Zealand last year, I have followed the NZ 7s progressions through my friendship with Gordon Tietjens, our rugby friendship starting way back in the days of the IRB LA sevens event, those days when I was helping with the West Indies 7s team.

Gordon Tietjens has a reputation for working his athletes hard and he does,
But they don’t expect anything less, if you want to be on the world stage, you better as well earn it seems to be the mentality here in NZ camps!

The one thing that is so apparent at the NZ sevens camps is that there are no hidden agendas, nothing glitzy or glamorous, limited complexity of the game structure, no ground breaking new drills or games, its just precise, clear, calculated and done with perfection.

The biggest difference from other sevens camps I have seen, are that every skill session is usually delivered when the athletes are under fatigue. Basic skills are used to warm up the athletes, then they challenge the anaerobic system and drive it to failure, then the decision making process begins, all usually done under game based scenarios, drills are only used for warm ups and all those have a decision making process.

One area that always makes me laugh is when coaches of sevens teams talk about fitness testing their athletes, they talk of beep test scores, YOYO test results and 3 reps max achievements being the same or better than England or South Africa’s athletes. That’s all fine and dandy, but do they test their athletes while they are recovered, fresh and under no stress? The thing is with the NZ 7s athletes, all tests are usually done after the athletes have been challenged physically prior to test times or days allocated for testing.

The other area that is apparent at NZ sessions are, if things aren’t going well or the session wasn’t intense or demanding enough, they either stay longer than the allocated time set out or they will run an extra session that day to make up for it.

I wont divulge all the camps outlines that I have seen, but one particular day they did phosphate deficiency testing at 10am (Bloody hard work), beep testing at 2pm (Another griller) and then ran a fitness skills session for 90 minutes at 4pm, where the ball hit the ground about 3 times all session, but the intensity and amount of fitness they did, would have killed most athletes off in 20 mins. This was followed by 6 trial games starting at 10am the next day.

People seem to have the opinion that Gordon Tietjens has the pick of the best players in New Zealand, this is way off the mark, Titch basically gets all the left over’s from athletes who haven’t been given contracts for Super Rugby, ITM Cup (Former NPC) and NZ U20 commitments.

But one area that hasn’t changed since Titchs 15-16 year reign, if you don’t turn up to work hard and empty the tank at every training session or game, don’t bother coming!

He has set standards that are legendary here in NZ and doubt will be ever surpassed, but it’s all done with a calculated approach. He knows when athletes need to eat, recover and regenerate, but he knows that without hard work, success will never be attainable.

The athletes arrive, have a little light hearted banter prior to getting on training paddock, but once they touch the training surface, its go to work time and the banter wont even commence until everyone has done the recovery cool down and hydration process, its just like going to the coal face! But they wouldn’t have it any other way if you spoke to them, its all about setting standards that others only dream to replicate, you raise the bar every time you take the field, if you don’t, people will eventually catch you, then pass you!

If Canada ever wants to knock off any giants in 7s again, they better improve
what they are presently pretending to do! At this stage, they wont even
Qualify for Olympics.

Posted 1 year ago #
Harry Craig
Member

It sounds like Tietjens is doing for sevens rugby in New Zealand what Dave King did in the eighties for Canadian hockey with his National Team progam, taking rejects and making them good players within a team system. The difference is hockey here is like rugby there and that isn't changing soon. I think for our place in the rugby world we do pretty well, yes we could do a lot better and I hope we do. Have there been screwups, you bet and we have made plenty of mistakes over the years but the boys keep coming through with decent results every now and then. I think being in the Olympics will give rugby sevens a boost here and around the world and that may make it harder to compete as there will be more countries trying to make it than before. But it will raise the profile and attract new athletes to the game. Our women will do very well and lets hope that inspires the men to catch up. I think here in Ontario and the rest of the provinces who have real winters we should start ot play sevens indoors in the winter so we can make up some of the advantage that BC has because of climate, it's not going to be as good as playing outdoors but it the next best thing.

Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyfan07
Member

Our first goal should be to get invited to every 7s tournament, and until we do your dreaming if you think were going to the olympics......

Posted 1 year ago #
Frank
Member

The first goal would be to get a coach who will drive down the Malahat to attend training sessions.

The next goal would be to get 12 carded players at the PISE and not 12 players in Wales playing Tier four rugby.

Baby steps!!

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