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  2. REAL
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    I could have sworn that in one of mooch's great video stories that the coach "jinxy" , down in Florida, had said that "everyone's been given a chance through 2009 but now it's time to work with the strongest side forming combinations"

    Well take a look at Saturdays team vs USA and tell me he is being true to the girls and all of us who support these extremely hardworking girls. There are a maximum of 6 (thats if NZ even pick some dates, or accept the offer for Canada to go down). Time to experiment is over. Work on the combinations. Iron out the kinks (of which there are still many) and get ready to play. it's just an insult to these girls with this decision making.

    Nations Cup 2009 was enough of a farce changing teams up so much. Reward the girls by starting their strongest team every game. Until he does this he is just showing every girl no respect.

    TIME TO GET REAL JINXY

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  3. REAL
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    REAL said:
    I could have sworn that in one of mooch's great video stories that the coach "jinxy" , down in Florida, had said that "everyone's been given a chance through 2009 but now it's time to work with the strongest side forming combinations"

    Well take a look at Saturdays team vs USA and tell me he is being true to the girls and all of us who support these extremely hardworking girls. There are a maximum of 6 (thats if NZ even pick some dates, or accept the offer for Canada to go down) games left for them to play. Time to experiment is over. Work on the combinations. Iron out the kinks (of which there are still many) and get ready to play. it's just an insult to these girls with this decision making.

    Nations Cup 2009 was enough of a farce changing teams up so much. Reward the girls by starting their strongest team every game. Until he does this he is just showing every girl no respect.

    TIME TO GET REAL JINXY

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  5. tlml1234
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    So if you think they are not being true to the ladies,I can only assume that you are saying that they are not playing their strongest team.Who do you then suggest they play (lineup on Saturday)and do yopu have any thoughts at this point on the makeup of the WC team.

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  6. defenseWTF
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    I have to agree with 'REAL' here, in my eyes the girls performance has decreased over the last 12-16 months, now that isnt due to the lack of commitment/dedication/hard work from the girls but i believe the changing of the squad for every game has done them no favours... coach needs to identify who his starting 15 is, then work from there.... stop taking 30 girls on a 10 day tour and 2 games. take a group of 22/24 and start to form combinations... my take on the strongest squad to date:

    1- Cripps
    2- McKenzie
    3- Donaldson (although the front row need to be alot tougher at the breakdown than they have been in the last 5/6 games, alot of ball lost at the breakdown)
    4- Gibbs
    5- ???- yet to find a capable partner for Gibbs
    6- Mervin
    7- Florence/Kish
    8- Russell (Captain, she is the best player on the field every time she laces up the boots)
    9- Sugawara (I've seen 10 year olds with a better pass than Stoughton)
    10- Schnell/Hilditch (this is a tough one, kicking game v running game, take your pick for each game is my opinion)
    11- Phillips (the girl scores tries, is big fast and strong)
    12- Ulmer/Hilditch
    13- marchak
    14- Watters
    15- Patzer (close to Russell for being the most outstanding player on this team)

    after watching all Nations Cup games/french tour and the game on tuesday, the coaches need to stop F**King around with the ball at ruck and maul time. Get the ball to the hard running midfield and dangerous back 3.. get russell/Mervin/Florence running off 10/12... get some go forward ball. to do this, get rid of Stoughton at 9, Sugawara has the biggest pass in the womans game so USE IT (although not always accurate so something for Julia to work on).

    harsh assessment that im sure some folk will disagree on, but i guess this is what a forum is for? for what it is worth, i already know 5 of the team i mentioned above are not dressing on saturday......

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  8. REAL
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    correct selection on team DWTF, it's just truly sad that these girls don't get the chance to play consistently along side each other. they work harder than anyone and have to be teamed up with all sorts of girls who aren't ready.

    have canada A vs USA A as a opener and then the real mccoy after. this is the way it should be. you don't see the all blacks or wales just throwing 5 unknowns into a test match when there's 4 games to go before world cup. this is crunch time. combination's have to be extremely comfortable and kinks ironed out.

    it's so simple. why can't the coaching staff see this.

    as of now, there are 2 games scheduled in NZ (that's even if this goes), 2 for can-ams a total of 4 left after tomorrows game, lets see if this coach does the right thing (finally) and picks the strongest team for every single one of these games.

    there is no use trying to please everyone. good results will please everyone. if i went to florida and wasn't one of the best 15 i would be happy not to play if the best 15 went out there and won. nobody is going to be happy with poor performances. PICK THE REAL TEAM JINXY

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  10. Frank
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    They are winning and you are still complaining. What gives? Jinkxy is not the best coach but you don't need a good coach to coach that team. A monkey could put any number of players on the field with that squad and come up with a winning combination.

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  11. REAL
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    still complaining frank? winning frank? france in france, usa at nations cup, france at nations cup, england at nations cup. yeah that's winning if i have even seen it. great contribution. thanks

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  12. Fan
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    I am with WTF and REAL on this one. This was one of the problem's in the lead up to the 7's world cup. Coaches kept to many of the ladies in the loop for to long there by reducing the opportunity for chemistry to develope to a high level required to play with the world's best. Seven monthes going into this world cup I am seeing a bit of a replay with coaches not being able to settle in on the top 26 that I believe we are allowed to take to London. Currently we have 29 in Florida, 3 not avaiable and 5-6 non traveling reserve (not including Moyse). We have, maybe 2 tours left to creat chemistry and we still don't know who own's what position because we still have almost 40 women in the system. Which brings me to Moyse.

    A superb athlete, I have no doubt. However, to consider her by putting her into the mix 5 monthes prior to the world cup will further upset what little chemistry we might achieve with the few tests we have left. If she is the protegy that the coaches want/need, that decission along with the decission to be down to the best 30 (not 40), should have been made at the latest, after Nations Cup 2009. Both France and this USA tour should have been done with our top 30, (26 travelling and 4 non travelling). When I see someone like Russell/Zussman not dressing for a game that is only 3-5 tests away from a world cup, so that we can have a look at another up and comer, all I can do is shake my head.

    Further, I am troubled to hear that the NZ tour is in trouble. I kept on hearing they really wanted us, what has happened? Australia is a option who I am sure would not dissapoint given their performance in 7's.

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  13. tk1
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    Interesting Fan, very interesting. What do you think of the concept of taking to a world cup your very best players, not the best 10 months before, not the best 5 months before, but the very best performers, one month before. Of course making sure that those players already identified have a chance to be together and play together during the 6 months leading to the RWC. Of course making sure those players are on a S&C program that will allow them to compete & win. Of course making sure time is spent on skill and ability. How would that sound?

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  15. defenseWTF
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    TK1- I think what we are talkig about here is consistantcy in Selections. I hope to hell the Coach isnt still undecided on selections a month prior to the world cup, because if this is the case we can kiss a top 4 placing goodbye....

    quotes from Coach this past week. firstly, in Mutries You tube clip earlier in the week, he advised that girls that they will no longer be giving away test caps, the time for giving girls opportunities to perform are gone. then in the same article Mutrie did on the naming of Saturdays test team Coach comes out with this:

    “It’s tough. My main thing is that I want to take the best 26 players to the World Cup in August, and that is based on performance. However, if I don’t give players the opportunity to perform at the international level, how can I know I have the best 26? Once I give them the chance, then I am able to make an informed decision, but still not an easy one.”

    This suggesting he is still TRYING out some players (this confirmed by a couple for the girls when they were advised of team selections for Saturday)

    finally, in the same article:

    “I have picked the strongest side for that match. My selection is based on that game, and how those players will fit into that game"

    now we are all welcome to our own views on who is the best canadian squad but i hope to god this wasnt it.. if it was, they just lost to the USA and along with that, would be their 4th placed ranking....

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  16. Frank
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    So it is true, you can have your cake and eat it too. I think it is safe to say that with the team narrowed down to 30 that Jinky is not giving away Test Caps. Are you sure you heard him correctly cause does speak with a lisp and out of the side of his mouth? This is not a slag, just stating the facts after watching the clip.
    Bring back Langevin, he didn't jerk the girls around and called it as he seen it. He used Moyse and she was the top try scorer in the World Cup, 5 months or 5 minutes, forget your chemistry and place the top try scorer back on the paddock.

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  18. Faust
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    Frank, the reputation on how they treated former NSWT coaches is legendary. There is a reason why so many quit.

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  19. Frank
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    Did Fyffe quit or did he get fired? Isn't Fyffe the U20 assistant coach who doesn't show up to trainings? That is like saying Gary Johnson is the U20 assistant coach. Did Tasch quit coaching the sevens team or did she get fired? I never saw any releases on the Rugby Canada web page to confirm any of the following. Does this fall under the High Performance portfolio? If it does then he needs to pull up his socks cause he is failing.

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  20. Faust
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    Fyffe quit. I know that he coaches the Irish and I really do not get into politics, it just ruins the game for me. But the rumour was that Fyffe was promised something by John (additional position with additional pay)and it was never delivered. This is what I remembered from the old forum. But this is hearsay from the old forum from memory.

    I played under Sluggo, Fyffe, and Langevin. All of them great coaches and great people. Whether they deserve what they received or not, I am not sure. But how it was handled I think was not best.

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  21. Frank
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    Faust you've been around a long time and you forgot to mention Mays! Did he get fired or did he quit? Was he a great coach or someone who just got lost in a political shuffle? Did he deserve what he got? Did Tasch get what she deserved at the end of the day? Where is the women's sevens program gone since she got what she deserved? What are you really sure of?

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  23. Faust
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    Frank, I am sure of one thing. If many people quit or get fired in position, then it is not the problem of the people, but the organization who is managing the position.
    If I was management or the stakeholders, I would require rationale why so many have left the position of NSWT coach.

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