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Posted 7 months ago
Faust
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Truly, I was hoping to the see the future play against the AB.

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Posted 7 months ago
Bandito
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A few teams have done this. You're definitely out now and did reasonably well with regard to meeting your goals, so why not give all the youngsters a run-on. The experience and pride of this game will serve them well for the next four years.

How many minutes has Hirayama played in two RWCs?

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Posted 7 months ago
Moosehead
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Really! I am still hoping for a win or a tie. Heard of the Miracle on Ice, well how about the Miracle on the Field!

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Posted 7 months ago
growapair
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You really need to stop drinking the Moosehead, Moosehead!

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Posted 7 months ago
Moosehead
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Bandito said:
A few teams have done this. You're definitely out now and did reasonably well with regard to meeting your goals, so why not give all the youngsters a run-on. The experience and pride of this game will serve them well for the next four years.

How many minutes has Hirayama played in two RWCs?

Its not a local boy's soccer game! givin little Albert a chance to play. It's the Rugby World Cup! Play the talent and the performers.

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Posted 7 months ago
AussieBack
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Play your strongest team for every game I say. This is especially the case if you are a tier 2 team. I don't agree that World Cups are for blooding new talent, that's what the 4 years leading up to it are meant for.

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Posted 7 months ago
rugbyfan07
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So what do you think 80 points plus for the AB? SBW running at Smith should be fun to watch. One way traffic all game.

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Posted 7 months ago
rugbyfan07
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Tonga over france...... So now were out of third place and must qualify for 2015.

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Posted 7 months ago
Bandito
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What a game by Tonga! Hope RC didn't start adjusting their budgets yet.

... and some of you who've criticised my point should have a look at how giving a young player a solid opportunity to prove himself / get a feel for what it's actually like to run-on as a starter can do for his confidence and drive. There's a strong likelihood that more than just being the token squad filler / tackle bag holder will drive him to be even better from the day he gets home until the next tournament. Many of the starters won't be around for the next one.

(And with our schedule, they're not likely to see such a quality team for a long while, if at all before the next RWC.)

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Posted 7 months ago
knower
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Great win for Tonga. Shows what can happen when only one
team comes prepared to play. We shouldn't start dreaming.
The All Blacks are not(never have been)France.
Both teams will come to play and we do not have the
Power or Pace to compete with the ABs. Expect 50+ points.
Ryan Smith defending SBW will be like watching Juan
Belmonte, in his prime.

Posted 7 months ago #
chabaleatschildren
Member

I don't get it. I don't get all the vehementSmith bashing or coach bashing. I read all kinds of posts on this blog attacking these two and others and I thought "wow, they must really be crappy". But I have not seen anything that justifies these criticisms. It's a blog after all and not a panel of experts I suppose. In terms of it being all one way traffic against Smith I can't really see it being any different with any other current Canadian player against the ABs. This is not a rip at the team, not at all. We are a tier two Nation. We've done well in this wc. We could have done better but I think the team can be proud. Should we beat ourselves up because we are not as good as the ABs and try to put the fault on one or two individual players or members of the coaching staff? I don't see it and niether does any of the foreign rugby press that I have seen or read on the Canadian team. I think there is a tendency of too many on this blog to think that all our problems would be solved if we would just replace x player (who usually happens to be any player with pro experience and probably the best we have at hand but not necessarilly an international standout)with y player (who usually happens to be from but-hole wherever and was a standout in the local derby). I'm not knocking the standout amatuer players from derbys in but-hole wherever. In fact we need them and in time some of them may become our future mediocre pros (maybe even top flight pros) that will hopefully help us advance another baby step towards becoming a stronger rugby Nation. But lets be realistic about using the resources we have to accomplish whatever we can.

Posted 7 months ago #
Hollywood
Member

Too bad France got that bonus point in extra time. Canada could have been playing NZ with a chance at a QF spot. Too bad we played France on short rest. Also too bad we play NZ instead of England or Scotland.

IMO the results of games leading to the RWC and in the RWC establish that Canada remains solidly in the mix of teams just below contender status. There is not much to choose between Scotland, Wales, Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, Japan, Canada, and Italy.

Posted 7 months ago #
rugbyfan07
Member

To bad for tonga that they took us lightly, they could have been going to the 1/4 finals

Posted 7 months ago #
rusty_lock
Member

Hollywood said:
Too bad France got that bonus point in extra time. Canada could have been playing NZ with a chance at a QF spot. Too bad we played France on short rest. Also too bad we play NZ instead of England or Scotland.

IMO the results of games leading to the RWC and in the RWC establish that Canada remains solidly in the mix of teams just below contender status. There is not much to choose between Scotland, Wales, Samoa, Fiji, Tonga, Japan, Canada, and Italy.

A 47 pt win tonight and we go through to the Quarters. Let me adjust my rose colored glasses. I'm thinking I might need bi-focals. :)

Posted 7 months ago #
cdnrugbyfan
Member

Come on Canada, take it at them, don't get so close and then start thinking about how it's the All Blacks and maybe we arre supposed to score!
Why did we kick for a lineout? Tap and go, take it at them, what do we have to lose?
Stop playing possum and take it at the ABs, it will be less what the ABs suspect!
Come on Canada, whatever the result, do well, play hard!

Posted 7 months ago #
cdnrugbyfan
Member

Darn tootin!!!!!

Munro, pass the ball, don't kick.....and stop turning over the ball!
Run at them, regardless of what the ABs do to us.....and looks what happens!

Posted 7 months ago #
treetop
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We sucked!!!! couldn't catch, could barely tackle!!! O'toole was invisible, evans isn't up to it, thank god Riordan left the field, probably the worst cdn player at the WC, Hirayama should have been brought in before white when DTH went off injured! Did DTH pull the pin cause he knew their was a blowout learking??? Monroe played horrible, Smith was horrible, good on trainor with 2 tries, yes he made mistakes but he show his class. Mackenzie was invisible, and Fairhurst should have been left home, he's well past it. We shuld have started white, hirayama, Trainor, DTH, Mackenzie, Sholtz and Paris!!! Poor decision by the coach

Posted 7 months ago #
SnailSprinter
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I agree so much with chabaleatschildren. After a while, on this forum, you come to believe that the bashing begin to say more about the basher than about the bashed. Our men did their best "dot"

Posted 7 months ago #
bisquit
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The results and the performances are no better then the last 2 World Cups, nothing has really changed. RC should look at the money spent on this senior team and maybe think about supporting the development of younger players and the grassroots programs, clubs, and schools. Throwing more money at tours, salaries and player fees for the small shallow pool of athletes and foreign coaches continuously has not made a difference.
ie- spending $300 000+ on 10 WC players to play academy teams in Wales under a so-called defensive guru stopped the ABs from scoring 80 on us.

Posted 7 months ago #
pickle
Member

No better then eight years ago. A major overall is required. Start at the top and clean house.

Canada is fortunate that Tonga rested their top 11 players against them. The AB's played sloppy rugby and still put 80 points of us. We were not fit enough to play a full 80 minutes against France and yet Crowley continued to use old horses. For this he got an 18 month extension?

Hire Andrew Hore and let him loose as the HPD.

Posted 7 months ago #
Faust
Moderator

SnailSprinter said:
I agree so much with chabaleatschildren. After a while, on this forum, you come to believe that the bashing begin to say more about the basher than about the bashed. Our men did their best "dot"

Fact is this.
They are not getting any better. RC did a good job, but so did Sluggo. But they are not getting the games as a team at a high level.
Sluggo made in roads when he had the 7s program. Morgan tried to continue the same thing. Use the 7s to develop the back play in 15s Rugby. But they wanted to save GJ's job, so they fired Morgan.

Why people don't like RS, because he is "the same". After the letter, I think he lost much respect.

We as the fans have seen an group take over Rugby Canada and they do not act accountable for their actions. We thought after the AOC, we would have a different philosophy in expanding the game in Canada, but in general recruitment is down. Only major sponsors we get are foreign ones. National women is being successful, but they are being pulled back with behind scene politics. How many different "super leagues" we had.

We are tired of this no excuse thing. We want a strategy that is communicate to its customers (US) and we want them to be accountable for their decisions. I am tired of this black box. I am tired of hearing GR on TSN saying how much better it was this time, when we did the same thing.
It is not the players fault that they have NO strategy to build their game. I think the backs would have benefitted hugely if they were playing 7s internationally also.

I think the wheels fell off in 1995 and Norm Hadley was right.

Posted 7 months ago #
winger14
Moderator

That was a much more skilled team than was at the the last world cup. And a better one too.

I for one am happy that Keiran Crowley is around for another 18 months. Hopefully longer than that.

The game needs to grow in this country, and that is the job of the provinces. They need to work hard to get rugby into the public school curriculum at a young age. If that happens the sport has a better chance of growing, and down the road the elite teams will improve.

At the top, whatever Rugby Canada can do to get the games on TSN or Sportsnet would be worth something in terms of exposure. Fans just need something worth watching.

Winger14

Posted 7 months ago #
PALADIN
Member

I can not believe RC would give a 18 month extention before
our World Cup results were in. Why not a 4 year contact
with a review after 2 years? World Cup to World Cup.

Why were there no Canadian coaches on our management team?
Canadians need to take back control of the game in our
own country. These foreign coaches have not helped us!
Kieran Crowley fired Taranaki coach
Geraint John sent by IRB to improve our rugby
Neil Barnes Forward Coach
Mike Selley Scrum Coach
Clive Griffiths Defence Coach
Again, Where are the Canadians? We are no better off after
hiring all these displaced people for a job that Canadians could as well or better.
Crowley should follow Kirwan(failed Italian and Japanese
coach)back to New Zealand. Both good players,good people,
but failed coaches.

Posted 7 months ago #
Popo
Member

According to Bryant at the BC RugbyNews

http://www.bcrugbynews.com/show_news.cfm?ID=624

We need more of the same to improve our lot in the international standings. That is we need to keep putting all the best players in BC. Hmmm over 10 years now, all the provinces are stripped of their best players and out to BC they go to play in the vaunted BC premier league.

The results speak for themselves. It is not the IRB, Crowley, Geraint John or the current players that is holding Canada back it is the insane belief that BC is the answer to Canada's rugby problems.

What I see at the world cup is not a failure of Canada's high performance programs to develop a handful of players into decent internationals. I see our results at the world cup as a result of a weakness of the game of rugby across Canada.

The focus needs to be on strengthening the game right across Canada cause god knows a supposedly strong BC league has got us nowhere.

Posted 7 months ago #
AussieBack
Member

Popo said:
The focus needs to be on strengthening the game right across Canada cause god knows a supposedly strong BC league has got us nowhere.

Spot on!

I love the fact that it has taken this forum all of 2 days to get back to the same old tired rants. Foreign coaches, Wales, scandalous selections blah blah blah. Some posters have been really obvious in their absence during the good times but get straight back into the angry old man rants when a poor performance is put in (and the NZ game was poor). To those posters, do you guys actually want Canada to do well???

To address Popo's post, a strong national league is vital and CRC is what needs to be developed and grown. On top of that, as many Canadian national players as possible need to be playing in professional environments outside of Canada. If half of the 2015 world cup team is able to live and breathe rugby for the next 4 years in a professional environment, and the other half play in a strong national league, quarter finals may be a possibility. If they all play club rugby in BC, actually qualifying for the tournament may be an issue.

Samoa is a good example; very poor country, barely any facilities and they almost knocked off S.A. and Wales. One of the main reasons is that a large percentage of their team play in professional environments.

It's not rocket science. Strengthen your national comp and get as many as your best into professional environments and until Canada has a truly professional competition, this has to be overseas.

Posted 7 months ago #
winger14
Moderator

Bang on!

Winger14

Posted 7 months ago #
Faust
Moderator

Great send all the talent to clubs who do not release them to play national team games and not around here to help develop talent here. Plus most of the guys sit on the pine, because they restricted by "foreign number rules". Why would they take them when they can have ready to go Kiwis, Boks and so on. BTW to get players that talented, you need a grassroots development. Even at the national championships, they had no technical training skills or anything. Here was the finest kids in youth rugby and no skills training. Wow

We need games to develop talent HERE.
People can complain about Crowley, but the fact is that they do not have enough high level games. That is why I suggested that they recycle many of the NSMT players in the 7s circuit. That is what Sluggo did after David Clark left a NSMT in shambles. Plus it allows the players to be seen a higher level to attract better contracts.

My beef with Gerant John is that I have seen two national championships with zero and I mean zero technical training for the upcoming elite. He is quick to fly off to scout sites in foreign lands, but he is not developing anything here. How they handled Sluggo and Williams was just stupid. How do you feel as the NSWT when the NSMT fire a coach and push him on the NSWT. Could they at least be smart and call it a reorg?

As for RWC, the boys did fine and RC did a good job, but they do not have enough time in a high level. It was the speed that killed them. You cannot train for it, but need to experience that in real games. Sending them to Wales is not the answer. It is hard to say that it is ok, when every parent is coughing up 1500$ for their kid to attend National Championship (and they offer zero technical training or ref training).

Posted 7 months ago #
Faust
Moderator

How ? You are limited how many foreigners you can put on the pitch. Samoans have been allowed to play in NPC and Super 14, so they are ready for the big time. Canadians are not.

Two things that need to be done is actual development of the grassroots movement.

Get more exposure for games. Right now, that is begging the IRB for anything and sending more players on 7s circuit. Work on developing an elite level with the USA.

As with Sluggo, Crowley had to contend with a team that was unprepared for the speed. I still like Crowley as a coach.

Other things is that we need to break the old boys club at Rugby Canada. We need new and innovative ideas.

Posted 7 months ago #
PALADIN
Member

Faust You can't name a Canadian Coach(other than Rick)
that you like?
I can name two from BC: Tim Murdy and Ian Hyde-Lay
Surely we(I mean Canadians)can find coaches from
our (I mean Canada) own country,who can do the job?

Posted 7 months ago #
Faust
Moderator

Ian Burtwell was the best Canadian coach. What is with you and foreigners?
You have differentiate between coaches who come here to stay and others who are here for a quick paycheque. Considering that 40% of all Canadians were born in foreign country or their parents were. Tell me how many players were born in a foreign country? Should we exclude them also.
Sluggo was a good coach but needed some seasoning.

PALADIN said:
Faust You can't name a Canadian Coach(other than Rick)
that you like?
I can name two from BC: Tim Murdy and Ian Hyde-Lay
Surely we(I mean Canadians)can find coaches from
our (I mean Canada) own country,who can do the job?

Posted 7 months ago #