TEAM CANADA "B" vs LOMAS for PROVINCIAL FINAL

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TEAM CANADA "B" vs LOMAS for PROVINCIAL FINAL

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Posted 1 year ago
Frank
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Smart money would go to the TEAM CANADA "B" (CW Selects) but the LOMAS have their number.

LOMAS by 6 = The Eric Wilson Show

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Posted 1 year ago
Popo
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Go Lomas.... I cheer for the only team from BC in this match up.

CW does not deserve to win this game or even be in this game.

Posted 1 year ago #
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Posted 1 year ago
Smallprint
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Final Score CW 20 Lomas 3. Congratulations to CW for a fine season!!!

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be the best, and then going out and proving it. Keep up your tired rhetoric and complaints about those who succeed, as everyone loves a sore loser(s)...

Pops, I fail to follow your comment that "CW does not deserve to win this game or even be in this game". Are you suggesting CW did something against the rules?

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Posted 1 year ago
Popo
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Small print... In my humble opinion CW is not a worthy champion. It is a hollow victory, like when sandbagging in a golf tourney to win.

Say what you want small print but CW does not get any respect from me for winning with this team regardless of whether it is in the rules or not.

Until CW wins with local talent I will not give them any respect.

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Posted 1 year ago
newbie
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Popo, define local talent.

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Posted 1 year ago
tlml1234
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I'm sure the Lomas are not entirely a local talent team?As long as you have separate seasons and player migration to BC,this is what you'll get.

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Posted 1 year ago
Popo
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Newbie, that would be players who grew up and/or who live all year round in the general area, do not relocate from other provinces for the sole purpose of being carded, and/or trying to make the SNMT, and most likely have played their junior rugby at the club. In addition local talent represents the Crimson Tide and BC in rep games not NFLD, The Prairie Fire or Ontario sides.

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Posted 1 year ago
rugbysucks
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WOW!!!

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Posted 1 year ago
Darcy Rota
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CDI is a joke. Clubs like CW are only hurting their own members by flying in a squad from Eastern Canada.

Rugby Canada only hurts the development of rugby in our country.

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Posted 1 year ago
Titan
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You're right Darcy Rota. World Cup's not till the fall. We wouldn't want our players who may actually be in the World Cup playing any rugby. Send them back east right? They can get much better there.

Posted 1 year ago #
Darcy Rota
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World cup in the fall.

Lets send our players out to play on the same Beer League Recreational team in BC. They will even practise up to two times per week.

Great preparation Titan.

Posted 1 year ago #
Popo
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Titan said:
You're right Darcy Rota. World Cup's not till the fall. We wouldn't want our players who may actually be in the World Cup playing any rugby. Send them back east right? They can get much better there.

Hmmmm... World cup in fall... seems it would be perfect to have our WC hopefulls play in some meaningfull games in the Summer... hmm lets fire up the plane and send all the players to play in the Ontario summer league. Using the logic of Titan this would be logical.

Posted 1 year ago #
James
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Popo,

I agree with almost all of what you say on this forum (your posts are intelligent and insightful, and I believe you have your finger on the pulse of the hoi polloi better than anyone at headquarters, or is that headquarterses-Toronto and Victoria), but your last one <sorry Popo, your second-last post> is a bit off of the rails. The only policy stricter in Canada would be from the language police in Quebec.

B. C. has to make up its mind. It insists it has the best rugby in the country, and if any decent player east of the rockies wants a shot at the national team, it has to play in the province. But now we hear that there are too many easterners and that they should get the hell out.

It is not the responsibility of JBAA, CW, UVIC, 'lomas ( or the Clansmen, Loyalists, Rogues, Crusaders, etc.) or other B. C. clubs to develop players for the national team. It is not the reason for any of these clubs existence. By insisting that carded players must move to the island, Rugby Canada is manipulating the process.

Posted 1 year ago #
Popo
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James,

So how would you define local talent?

Posted 1 year ago #
Harry Craig
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Everybody has a few imports, all across the country. How many are too many? That is what the question is.

Posted 1 year ago #
Titan
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Popo said:
Hmmmm... World cup in fall... seems it would be perfect to have our WC hopefulls play in some meaningfull games in the Summer... hmm lets fire up the plane and send all the players to play in the Ontario summer league. Using the logic of Titan this would be logical.

You assume anyone in the mix will be playing meaningful games this summer. Whether for the National team or for the Rock, BC, Ontario (whatever is happening with the league). If they're not playing anything and they want to be in the mix then they better get out to Ontario and play some games - absolutely. What do you expect them to do? What do we want here folks? Doesn't everyone always say we want a better domestic league? Except we want to keep the teams totally local? You can't expect players from back east to play two months of rugby in the summer and be in top form. They need more games, more training, etc. hence why they come out here.

Posted 1 year ago #
Smallprint
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So just where are these aspiring rugby players going to ply their trade from November to April? Or should we have our best and brightest sitting on their asses for a minimum of 5 months of the year.

The best from the non-BC provinces go to BC because of the climate, and the different seasons. It helps that RC has based the carded players in Victoria. There are a number of good reasons to base the carded players in one place, in this case, Victoria. The best non-BC players then return to their home provinces to play in summer leagues.

I personally don't see what is wrong with it. There is one country. This incessant tribalism at the provincial and club level, is the single biggest factor slowing the growth of rugby at the grassroots level. Normally I agree with a lot you have to say Pops, but in this case, you are wrong, and just plain disrespectful for no good reason...

Posted 1 year ago #
Darcy Rota
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Wrong. Loading up the carded players and the eastern imports into 1-2 clubs that play in a recreational league is not developing players.

Any player that wants to compete for a RWC spot needs to be playing in Europe.

The CDI can not develop players as it is simply not at a high enough level. If we are expecting CDI players to play for Canada this fall , we are in for a world of hurt and a zero win record in our pool.

Let the our recreational players play for their clubs. The top talent will move onto the rep sides . The top rep players should be assisted to go play in Europe.

Rugby Canada is stacking certain CDI clubs and Victoria highschools with Eastern imports which is reducing roster spots and development for BC players/youth.

We need to grow our sport by building the base across Canada in all our provincial leagues.

Posted 1 year ago #
Titan
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I agree it would be great it our players could get contracts in Europe...Hell it would be great if they could play in the T14 or in Super rugby! Easier said then done Darcy Rota.

Posted 1 year ago #
Darcy Rota
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Pro D2 in France or Nat Div 1 in England would be the place for our RWC squad to be playing if we seriously want to compete in any games at RWC.

Playing in the CDI will not develop any of our men to play at an international level.

Posted 1 year ago #
Titan
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Again I agree. I don't presume that the CDI is going to be adequate preparation for World Cup players in order to compete with professionals. I completely agree that playing in a professional league would be leaps and bounds better than playing domestically. That being said the CDI is the best we have. End of story. Contracts in Pro D2 or div 1 England aren't just handed out.

Posted 1 year ago #
Darcy Rota
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We need our top 40-50 Canadian players in Europe.

Playing in the spring against Burnaby and practicing 2 times a week for 1-2 hrs is a joke. The CDI is a joke of a league. It is a recreational league for guys that like to play a game of rugby here and there. The CDI can not be seen at any level as developing players for international competition. If you are playing in the CDI and over the age of 20 , then you should not be on Rugby Canada's radar for Sr mens.

It would be like taking a guy from the Langley recreational ice hockey league to play for Canada at the next Olympic hockey competition and play against the pro's from around the world.

All of our of national team hopefuls, need rugby canada's assistance to get overseas and train on a daily basis.

Rugby Canada is wasting players time by promoting them to relocate to western canada for a beer league.

Posted 1 year ago #
PALADIN
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CDI is the best league we have in Canada. RC should focus
its limited resources on strengthening that league. Our internationals will continue hire agents to look for contracts.
The rest should stay and play in the CDI.
In May players should return to strengthen their
home clubs, east of the rockies. Return to the CDI in
January.
It's not perfect but I believe it's the best way to
improve our National Team. Having our best players in
one league, close to our National Management Team, is the
way to go. There will still be #s playing in Europe.

Posted 1 year ago #
Darcy Rota
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PALADIN said:
our National Management Team

Did you mean our National Mismanagement Team ?

Do you think that practice twice a week in the evening is developing players for international competition ? I am thinking that most countries are doing a litttle more than this for their future national team players.

Combine this with the odd game on a Saturday against a few students and guys that work at the local bank all week that have a bit of an interest in weekend recreational rugby. Maybe have a few pints after the game type of guys.

Is this really the pathway to international success for Canada at rugby ?

The CDI league is like a recreational mens ice hockey league that runs tuesday and thursdays in Calgary that i used to play in. I don't think too many guys from that league have won Olympic medals in Ice Hockey .

Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyfan07
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We have players playing in Europe, and there not getting better. Braid came back and has hardly been at his best. Carded players should be playing together on one team and for something. The last pride team never played in any competions for a title ( all exhibition games). Some of those players were the best we've ever produced.

Europe sucks,

Posted 1 year ago #
Darcy Rota
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Where was Braid playing ? Was it a 4th rate youth league in North Wales. This is not what i mean by playing in Europe.

Posted 1 year ago #
Popo
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I have some time to think and ponder and many of you are right the solution is not to eliminate easterners from playing in the CDI. I went a tad overboard.

The guys who played for CW worked their tail off to win the cup and I should not be demeaning that accomplishment regardless of where they are from.

But I do think this topic clearly shows the weakness in Canadian Rugby and that is a lack of quality leagues and competitions in which to forge our international players and attract new players.

Players should not need to relocate in order to get quality games and face quality competition.

Posted 1 year ago #
rugbyfan07
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Darcy Rota said:
Where was Braid playing ? Was it a 4th rate youth league in North Wales. This is not what i mean by playing in Europe.
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Aside from Dth and Cudmore( Not the tooth pick) the rest are hardly playing and are playing professional beer league rugby.

The CRC needs to be a longer season, double or even triple the length of it. Make it the league our top players play in, not the CDI. Top players will be attracted to it and leave club players behind. How many all blacks, springboks, or Aussies play club ball unless they're coming back from an injury?

Posted 1 year ago #
James
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Rugby Canada's policy of sending, and/or demanding, players go to Victoria has been in place for 15 years. This span of time should be enough to call this or any other policy a success or a failure. RC could also use a form of negative logic and say that without this policy, we would have slipped out of the top 20. But really!

Other rugby countries which we use to compete and win against (Argentina, Italy, Japan) have had outside forces assisting their programs. Argentinian players can go to Europe/UK and not be considered imports. The IRB and the other 5 Nations have bent over backwards, forwards, sideways to help and please Italy. Major Japanese corporations are spending millions of dollars on the sport in Japan. The important thing here is that the national unions in Argentina, Italy and Japan are not the ones driving the sport forward in these countries.

We are stuck with Rugby Canada being the key initiators of change. In many ways the CDI is a Godsend for RC. It is a rather inexpensive way to have a 'national' 'program.' Unless once calls sending a few players to north Wales a good alternative.

Posted 1 year ago #
PALADIN
Member

We do not need to copy other nations. Lets have a made in
Canada solution. We have been going backwards over the
last 7 years and will continue to so.
The N Wales project was a mistake and will die a naturnal
death (next year?).
RC needs to focus on improving the CDI League.
RC should realise that not funding the "PRIDE" was a HUGE mistake. You are now paying the price!
RC should realize that foreign coaches are here for the
$$$$ and know no more than successful Canadian coaches.
The RC Board needs to change.(I know you will pat yourselfs
on the back when you leave. You should not as you are
responsible for Canada's falling in World Rankings at all
levels. Shame on you all! There is not a good rugby mind in the bunch!

Posted 1 year ago #