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  2. Moosehead
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    Toothlesstiger said:
    Perhaps we should not under rate the strides the opposition have made at this age grade.

    Canada still has it's in-born draw back of having to deal with the geography of our Country. How many camps can the Canadian players afford. Yes it may well be correct that the try scorers are from CDI teams who are at play at this point in the Canadian season.

    Do with know how the Russians fund and orchestrate there training schedule. Typical Russian philosophy is to round them all up and "put" them in a "camp" at minimal costs.

    Who knows? But, the clubs in the East of the Rockies would not be too pleased if any more of their even younger talent is to be syphoned off to the great R.C. West Coast Development in order that their players have match fitness going into such iRB tournaments.

    Afteral the iRB and R.C. monies invested there have not raised the National Programs to be anymore competitive in International competition, have they?

    Unpalatable as it is, Canada is a part-time amateur participant in a professional program. The spoils go to those lesser nations programs that can more closely match the goals and preparations of the big professional nations.

    Yes the iRB do give Canada some funding for the preparations for this tournament but how far does that go towards the cost of living in Ontario or Nfld and training in Victoria with the cost of airfares as they are ?

    Better luck next year and many thanks to the kids and their families for their commitment.

    STOP the excuses, soon there will be excuses for Canada coming in 500th in the World, Lichenstein and Andorra have it much easier to get players together, much lower travel costs etc. Also these are not kids but young professional athletes not little kiddies. The quality of the posts from the shag carpet basements of suburban Ontario are going down.

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  3. Faust
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    Quentin Fyffe was also an assistant coach.

    If you think Russia gets major funding, that you need to get off the drink. What about Uruguay and Japan?

    6th is in a tournament that we are suppose to be competitive to win.

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  5. rusty_lock
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    Murdy has had the team long enough. The team has been in steady decline for a number of years. We can't fire the players so something need to change.

    I'm sure that it is not all his fault. I have long believed that there is a disconnect between HS rugby and the clubs. We lose to many potential players when they leave HS.

    We are staring into our future. If we don't do something soon we'll be playing in the IRB division 2b before you know it.

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  6. newbie
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    The U17 boys under Dave Chambers have had much success in their international tourneys over the years and they are not funded one cent.
    The U20 are funded 100% so it really doesn't matter where they train. Alot of these boys went through the U17 program.......what has happened between that and the U20?

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  7. seven
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    Maybe we need to bring in a foreigner, for the u20.

    The senior mens team seems to be full of them. If the overseas coaching is that much better than our home grown coaches why aren't they invited to the senior mens camps to learn from these imported coaches

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  8. Harry Craig
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    It's sounds like there were 7 strong teams in this tournament and the two with proffessional leagues back home came out on top, not a suprise. Papua New Guinea were weak but were also the smallest country in the tournament. I am dissappointed we didn't do better but I don't know if a change of coach would have made a huge differnce. We have many problems but so do the other countries. I doubt most posters on this site know much about the junior structures in teh other seven countries that were attending, I know I don't so I think most of their posts are conjecture and opinion, with very little to back them up. We all need to work harder to make it better where we are and also quit the provincial rivalry stuff when dealing with National teams. If the whole squad is from Kamloops and they win the championship you won't hear me complaining one bit. Same if they are from Cole Harbour, or even Pickering.

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  10. niche
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    Harry Craig said:
    I think Canada should win the tournament. Too bad Armstrong had to bow out with injury.

    Hi Harry, a blast from the past here. It's Rick from Donview Heights JR high school, my e-mail is thirdtimeacharm@bell.net, would like to catch up with you
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  11. rusty_lock
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    No we don't know what development programs are in place in other countries but whatever it is it appears to be better than what we are doing. Something has to give

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  12. Toothlesstiger
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    "MOOSEARS. said
    [quote]STOP the excuses, soon there will be excuses for Canada
    coming in 500th in the World, Lichenstein and Andorra have it much easier to get players together, much lower travel costs etc. Also these are not kids but young professional athletes not little kiddies. The quality of the posts from the shag carpet basements of suburban Ontario are going down."

    And, NEWBIE has a good point
    "The U17 boys under Dave Chambers have had much success in their international tourneys over the years and they are not funded one cent.
    The U20 are funded 100% so it really doesn't matter where they train. Alot of these boys went through the U17 program.......what has happened between that and the U20? "

    I like my "Old China" Harry's response,who I may not judge to be the best referee at a pinch, but he gets the prize for hitting the nail on the head.

    In real rugby world clubs the transition is from U17 academy development to pro or semi pro full time at the ages of u19s. You see them on the telly week in and out in the Super 14, the GP and Magners.

    What we do not have in our corner of the rugby world is enough cash to develop a semi pro rugby team without waiting for some of our older boys to be released and to come back from plying their skills and trade over there!

    So Moosehead, you should remove your brain from your ar_e and try working out the problem before blowing smoke up other peoples arses. Newbie, you are perfectly correct about the success of our u17 program. It is a credit to the players, the coaches & management and to Canadian rugby.

    Regrettably, the big crunch comes ever earlier in the area of development the further the big pro nations reach down to promote and develop the next age grade in order to be able to move them up, even it is only as 7 or 8 man on the bench.

    At this age ( u20s) Canada has no chance and I am sorry to say that but I feel it is absurd and unfair of voices from the sidelines with no experience of what is happening outside of their own box to dump on Tim Mc Murdy or his mentor the Headmaster, Robertson when they give equally as much time to the program as do the coaches of the u17s.

    If Moose wants to change the coach and at the same time anticipate great strides forward at the next u20 tournament that we might be invited to, then he , Moose, will have to have very deep pockets to pay for a Kieran to come out of the woodwork.

    Even then there would be no guarantee unless the players as in the NSMT were to have sufficient and regular fixtures to develop the game fitness level now required to win at this level.

    Enough said and the less the better. Moose you just piss.d me right off.

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  13. Harry Craig
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    Quote "Toothless Tiger"
    "I like my Old China Harry's response,who I may not judge to be the best referee at a pinch, but he gets the prize for hitting the nail on the head."

    I have never claimed to be the best referee, my goal is not to be the worst and keep improving from there. I know some will say I have failed.

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  15. Moosehead
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    sorry Tootheless that I pis.sed you off, my comment about the shag carpet was meant to be funny and not to be taken personally.

    I never commented about changing the coach nor did I criticize the coach or coaches. I was criticizing your comments. I just don't like excuses particularly familiar ones like money, travel and how big a country Canada is whenever there is a disappointing result.

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  16. Popo
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    It is a simple problem as with all areas of elite rugby in Canada the resources are poured into a few players rather than the developing the game and providing higher competition levels fro all players which than leads to a larger better player pool to select your national teams from. This has been the problem since before the Pride days and as long as it continues we will keep seeing poor performances from the national teams with strong individual performances.

    The money needs to poured into creating internal competitions that promote a higher caliber of play for all rather than developing a few guys.

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  18. newbie
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    I am sort of with you Popo, but eventually the selected team and spares do have to start to train togeather as a team but in my opionion taking (I may have the numbers off by a few)a tour of 35 players and 11 staff to New Zealand to be shi# kicked is a not a good used of IRB funds. Especially a year or more before the U20 tourney.
    The money spent on that tour alone could have financed two or three more camps in Canada which would lead to a larger pool selection.
    The last scrimage at SLS had the U20 team split up and playing with carded and invited senior mens players. In other words the U20 team as a whole, didn't run as a team against any competion before they headed to Russia.
    I am sure there were an additional 26 young men across Canada that would have loved to travel to SLS or anywere for that matter to play in a possibles vs probable game.
    I know there are "holes" everywhere in what I have said but in three years the U20 have gone from #12 to #18. What ever is going on isn't working!

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  19. Harry Craig
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    I'm not making excuses for anyone but maybe other teams are getting better rather than us getting worse.

    Posted 2 months ago #

  20. CanNZ
    Member

    That is pretty much the view I am taking Harry.

    Posted 2 months ago #

  21. Drew4
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    Speaking on this topic, does anybody remember a few years back they brought in this guy from Scotland (though I think he played in SA), think his name was Hamish....anyways does anyone remember him? Another player with an accent never hurts.

    Posted 2 months ago #

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